Tomo
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Post by Tomo on May 22, 2024 18:33:41 GMT
Barely. Given how much money was spent basically buying a new squad for Poch, and with his apparent reputation, I expected a lot more. 6th place is flattering. What if Kompany ends up taking over? am cry
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Post by jono62 on May 22, 2024 18:59:41 GMT
Give it Lampard. He knows the club.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 22, 2024 20:29:47 GMT
Surely John Terry is ready to step up by now?
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on May 22, 2024 20:44:00 GMT
Kompany to Bayern seems to be on - which means...
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Post by monkman5000 on May 22, 2024 21:04:18 GMT
Poor Harry.
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Post by Dougs on May 22, 2024 21:06:01 GMT
The Poch news must be very convenient for Bayern, I'm sure. They'd obviously love Klopp too but not sure if that would ever happen. Doh. Refresh, eejit.
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Tomo
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Post by Tomo on May 22, 2024 21:06:41 GMT
What is this timeline
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Post by Tuffty on May 22, 2024 21:45:35 GMT
Who would have thought getting relegated with Burnley gets you the Bayern Munich job?
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Post by captbirdseye on May 22, 2024 22:01:16 GMT
Taking the Martinez route of falling upwards. It seems like he was the only one interested in a being stop gap for Xabi or Klopp.
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Post by simple on May 22, 2024 23:10:30 GMT
Talk about landing on your feet
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Post by Mark1412 on May 23, 2024 5:36:23 GMT
Also seems he's letting the hype get to his head, BBC reporting that he's not going to accept Ipswich's new contract offer*. I get not wanting to miss out a great job offers and striking whilst the iron is hot, but he's not even managed in the top flight yet, get a season or two under your belt before thinking you're billy big balls. *Obviously that might be unconfirmed and he might be staying.Or he's watched Kompany go from the next big thing to savage relegation and thought he's not going to miss his shot? You regret what you don't do etc. This aged well I see.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 23, 2024 7:46:00 GMT
Who would have thought getting relegated with Burnley gets you the Bayern Munich job? Penny for the thoughts of Sean Dyche.
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Post by zisssou on May 23, 2024 7:59:18 GMT
Don't see why McKenna is any worse than when we got Arteta. I think he'd do quite well if he's backed.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 23, 2024 8:25:12 GMT
People were raving about Arteta as some sort of flat-pack elite level manager long before he ever started with Arsenal. He also had a ton of credit in the bank working at City.
There's no way of saying it without sounding condescending, but getting a couple of promotions out of lower leagues has absolutely no correlation with being able to manage some of the teams he's being linked with as soon as this.
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Post by jono62 on May 23, 2024 8:36:28 GMT
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Post by harrypalmer on May 23, 2024 8:44:20 GMT
What an absolute twunt.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 23, 2024 8:48:43 GMT
I don't really know anything about McKenna as a person but his record certainly looks incredible.
Not sure Arteta's success is evidence that going straight to a 'big club' will be fine as Arteta was in a unique position in that he had the ideal apprenticeship and Arsenal board were willing to give him time when they hired him.
It took Arteta two years to dismantle and rebuild. I suspect the confidence that 'his' vision would work came from everyone seeing the end state first hand at City. The Arsenal board hired him to come and 'do a City-lite' and backed him allowing him to set and enforce 'the fogging eh-standards' at the considerable expense of Ozil, Guendouzi, Auba.
If McKenna goes to Chelsea or Man Utd he'll also need to get his hands very dirty and make big costly calls on high profile, popular players. Has he got the self confidence, and will he get the backing at those clubs to do that coming from the Championship without having a City of his own to point to?
Obviously there are multiple paths to success, but surely it's even harder to forge your own template than borrow and adapt someone else's like Arteta did.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 23, 2024 8:52:08 GMT
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Post by TheSaint on May 23, 2024 8:55:52 GMT
Jamie O'Hara
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Post by askew on May 23, 2024 8:58:01 GMT
What happened to poor Chanelle?
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Post by cristar on May 23, 2024 11:48:21 GMT
The Poch links are hilarious. From Poch taking a good while out of football, to only come back when the time was right and the club was right, to taking jobs at two epic trash fires in PSG and Chelsea. Would definitely question his decision making being interested in a 3rd fire of a club. And us waiting for ages to make a move for him, to then suposedly be interested after he did a shit job at both of those.
I never got the Poch hype. Managed to not even win the French league one of those seasons with PSG. Not the ideal choice, but probably still take him over ETH at this point lol.
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Post by RobEG on May 23, 2024 11:57:25 GMT
Poch is more of a build/project manager than a buy instant success one. Which is why it was odd he chose to go to Chelsea. PSG kind of made sense due to his history there. I think he'd do well at Utd if they gave him some time. He'd do a good job developing the younger players.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 23, 2024 12:20:19 GMT
I guess Utd are the opposite of Chelsea in one respect. It seems the manager gets to choose the signings. Though that hasn't worked brilliantly under Ten Hag.
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Post by Frog on May 23, 2024 12:21:16 GMT
Don't think that's the case now, a new structure is in place.
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Post by mikew1985 on May 23, 2024 13:11:49 GMT
I don't think Poch would be seen as an option by the new head honchos. It's certainly not impossible that ETH is sacked come 9am Monday morning (or 5pm Saturday evening) but I have a feeling he won't be and right now, I'm happy for him to be given more time.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 13:14:04 GMT
Writing was on the wall for him when the new owners came in. They will want their own man in place.
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Post by Dougs on May 23, 2024 13:25:58 GMT
Easier to swallow for him, that. Can pretend it has nothing to do with results.
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Post by mikew1985 on May 23, 2024 13:30:23 GMT
I'm not 100% certain. I know they've basically gutted everyone else out of everywhere so the tide would certainly seem to indicate the most likely route is that he's out the door but despite that I just think he is in with a half decent chance of staying on.
I know this crowd seem slightly better at not letting absolutely everything leak but there really has been nothing solid on a managerial approach or sacking. I just think they would have someone lined up already if he was going and something, even something small would have leaked.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 13:38:18 GMT
It will get announced after the cup final no matter the result. And there's so much paper talk about potential managers that hasn't been shut down.
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Post by mikew1985 on May 23, 2024 13:38:21 GMT
Easier to swallow for him, that. Can pretend it has nothing to do with results. The only reason to sack him is results (and a compelling enough reason in many respects). All the reasons not to sack him are basically because of all the issues with the previous structure which they're looking to fix. Of course he was hired by said structure BUT he was a highly rated coach who performed brilliantly in a properly run structure who then also performed brilliantly in our messed up structure when he had a decent spine available to him. The need to rely on the historical mess of the squad and the hierarchy not managing to offload either Scott or Maguire last summer meant he had a disastrous second season as the depth in quality is quite clearly not there particularly at Centre Back. This is not a dig at Maguire - I've been extremely consistent in my assessment of him - he's never been as bad as anyone said but he's not a fit for what we want to do right now. ETH wanted a new CB who matched his preferred style last summer and couldn't get the club to invest. To me, the impact of this has been absolutely enormous (because the injuries pared us down to bare and extremely brittle bones)
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