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Post by minimatt on Sept 13, 2022 22:00:04 GMT
Not 90s but I’ve still got a Nokia N-Gage somewhere Bought it from someone at work for £20 with loads of games but I’ve never played it other than a quick test
saw a thread earlier today suggesting the n-gage was modelled on goatse by a disgruntled engineer, and now I can't unsee it
edit: I mean it's going to be bollocks, it's proper pub story stuff, but it's funny, so
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Post by Lizard on Sept 13, 2022 23:10:38 GMT
My mate had an N-Gage, we tried to warn him that it'd be utterly shit, but would he listen...
Maybe if we'd said it looked like goatse.
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Post by Onny on Sept 14, 2022 6:27:10 GMT
I always think the 90s are a really interesting time in console gaming, because it was absolutely dominated by Japanese publishers but it was the beginning of the end. The best consoles were Japanese, the vast majority of the best games came from Japan (and so came out in Japan first), and attempts by western companies to compete in the hardware market failed badly.
But then with the 3DO and the Jaguar, while the consoles were pretty terrible you can start to see the shift in appetites - AVP was surely the first good FPS game to ever appear on a console, and Madden & FIFA on 3DO showed the future of the franchises somewhat.
So I think that while there were plenty of failed 90s consoles, in many ways they paved the way for what was to come - the Xbox - and started the shift from Japanese console gaming dominance to Western dominance which we see today.
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Post by djronz on Sept 14, 2022 6:32:17 GMT
I always think the 90s are a really interesting time in console gaming, because it was absolutely dominated by Japanese publishers but it was the beginning of the end. The best consoles were Japanese, the vast majority of the best games came from Japan (and so came out in Japan first), and attempts by western companies to compete in the hardware market failed badly. But then with the 3DO and the Jaguar, while the consoles were pretty terrible you can start to see the shift in appetites - AVP was surely the first good FPS game to ever appear on a console, and Madden & FIFA on 3DO showed the future of the franchises somewhat. So I think that while there were plenty of failed 90s consoles, in many ways they paved the way for what was to come - the Xbox - and started the shift from Japanese console gaming dominance to Western dominance which we see today. Xbox certainly manage to be the only western console to ever establish itself but the two best selling consoles are still Japanese. It could be argued that western produced software is now dominant, but not console manufacturers. Still, a very different story in the 90s where both Western developed console and software were largely terrible.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Sept 14, 2022 7:19:07 GMT
Hardwarewise the 3DO was a pretty big step up at its time of release, several years before Saturn/PS1, it was vastly overpriced on launch though and obviously superceded by the previously mentioned consoles.
As for Ngage, I remember all the memes and pisstaking about the 'sidetalking' but that is how a lot of youngsters seem to use their smartphones now and it always makes me think of the Ngage...
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 14, 2022 7:34:19 GMT
I always think the 90s are a really interesting time in console gaming, because it was absolutely dominated by Japanese publishers but it was the beginning of the end. The best consoles were Japanese, the vast majority of the best games came from Japan (and so came out in Japan first), and attempts by western companies to compete in the hardware market failed badly. But then with the 3DO and the Jaguar, while the consoles were pretty terrible you can start to see the shift in appetites - AVP was surely the first good FPS game to ever appear on a console, and Madden & FIFA on 3DO showed the future of the franchises somewhat. So I think that while there were plenty of failed 90s consoles, in many ways they paved the way for what was to come - the Xbox - and started the shift from Japanese console gaming dominance to Western dominance which we see today. Xbox certainly manage to be the only western console to ever establish itself but the two best selling consoles are still Japanese. It could be argued that western produced software is now dominant, but not console manufacturers. I wouldn't say Western software is completely dominating. One of the biggest games this year was Elden Ring from the Japanese From Software. Xenoblade Chronicles 3 was also a really big success and the Yakuza series seems to get bigger with each release. JRPGs in general seem to be having a renaissance. Even if you look at Western produced indie games, the Japanese influence is getting more and more prominent, either because they are harking back to the 90s classics or borrowing animé aesthetics. Perhaps Western developers are still mostly dominant, but it does feel like we are seeing Japanese developers rising in prominence and having a huge influence on the market.
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Post by djronz on Sept 14, 2022 8:37:00 GMT
The concept of the 3do was an interesting one, in that the console technology was to be licenced out to anyone who wanted to produce it. To my knowledge there were Panasonic, goldstar and Sanyo variations, a bit like having a PS5 made by Samsung! The idea was to upgrade the system over time, the proposed M2 add on looked amazing back then. Although short lived, I did enjoy the 3do so in that sense I Don't see it as a failure, I would nt put it in the bracket of the jaguar, which was poor hardware that failed commercially.
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Post by Psiloc on Sept 14, 2022 10:25:41 GMT
I will say if I was an electronics company looking at getting into gaming back then I would have looked long and hard at the franchise model. I could definitely have made that mistake.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 14, 2022 10:37:06 GMT
That’s what fucked it, the mugs who licenced the specs couldn’t sell the machines at a loss because there were no royalties to claw back from
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Post by Lizard on Sept 14, 2022 11:07:51 GMT
Wasn't there a JVC Saturn at one point? Don't know the backstory to it though.
Also remember the Amstrad Mega PC, a 386 with a Mega Drive bolted on, including white pads. Saw one in a magazine before I got a Mega Drive and thought it was awesome. Was then amazed to go round to a mate of my cousin and see he had one. Played my brand new copy of Micro Machines 2 on it.
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Post by Psiloc on Sept 14, 2022 11:42:47 GMT
That’s what fucked it, the mugs who licenced the specs couldn’t sell the machines at a loss because there were no royalties to claw back from Yup. On the face of it its just the same as the VCR model. Prices would have come down if it became remotely successful. I can see how somebody gave it a go
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Post by elstoof on Sept 14, 2022 11:57:08 GMT
Sega had some funny distribution models back then, like this Samsung Super Aladdin Boy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 16:23:55 GMT
Wasn't there a JVC Saturn at one point? Don't know the backstory to it though. Victor too, I think. Also the Panasonic Gamecube.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 16:27:41 GMT
Sega had some funny distribution models back then, like this Samsung Super Aladdin Boy I think this one was due to political embargoes between Japan, China and the Koreas. In order for consoles to be released there, they had to be rebranded and released by local companies. I think it was that way all up until the PS4 era.
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Post by X201 on Sept 14, 2022 18:57:28 GMT
Have we done this yet?
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Post by djronz on Sept 14, 2022 19:26:52 GMT
Launching and amstrad cpc based console I the age of mega drive and snes? What could go wrong?
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 14, 2022 20:40:57 GMT
I think the idea behind the franchise model was to standardise the tech, sort of like what happened with the CD & DVD formats. The problem being of course, with microchip tech was Moore's law. The tech evolved too quickly for anything to be standardised.
We might not be too far off TBH. With AI upscaling and a few more generations of Raytracing tech, we might be getting to point of diminishing returns on hardware. I look forward to being wrong of course.
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Post by rawshark on Sept 14, 2022 21:00:04 GMT
I’m sure there were some home computer die hards stoically clinging to their belief that, on a platformer, you jumped by pushing up on your joystick. To this day that instinctively push up to jump.
Mario never happened. Damn it.
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 14, 2022 21:04:33 GMT
I’m sure there were some home computer die hards stoically clinging to their belief that, on a platformer, you jumped by pushing up on your joystick. To this day that instinctively push up to jump. Mario never happened. Damn it. Hey, it happened in some of the Smash Bros...
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Sept 14, 2022 21:17:05 GMT
Launching and amstrad cpc based console I the age of mega drive and snes? What could go wrong? Commodore released a C64 one too, but at least there had been preexisting cartridges for the C64 unlike the Amstrad which required new stuff (came out with the CPC plus IIRC)
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Post by Chopsen on Sept 15, 2022 6:54:04 GMT
Did they?! I remember the Amiga one, but not a C64 one.
There were only about 4 C64 cartridge games.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Sept 15, 2022 7:11:31 GMT
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Post by Psiloc on Sept 15, 2022 9:55:25 GMT
My mate had an N-Gage, we tried to warn him that it'd be utterly shit, but would he listen... Maybe if we'd said it looked like goatse. FUN FACT: The N-Gage was not only a completely unlocked system with no piracy protection whatsoever, but its OS (S60) was shared with Nokia's other current smartphones, meaning you could run most if not all N-Gage games on basically any premium Nokia phone released in that time by simply copying the exe to your SD card. IOW you could play native N-Gage games without paying for either the console or the game. And you could pick the form factor you wanted. I did this and to be honest, in some ways the system gets a bad rap. It was like somewhere between a GBA and a PSP in terms of performance in an era when phone games were those dreadful Java apps. I genuinely fired up Sonic N (Sonic Advance) all the time. Although again, I was using a normal looking phone instead of carrying that dumb taco thing around. S60 also had a decent emulation scene and many consoles were well supported. It was pretty good stuff for the time and I blew a few people's minds showing them actual Mega Drive games running on a phone. On the other hand it's hard to believe it came out only four years before the iPhone.
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Post by Saul1138 on Sept 15, 2022 10:38:44 GMT
I had to get the bus most Saturday mornings, into town, just so I could do the 10 print... 20 goto nonsense in WHSmiths. I used to go into Boots every Saturday morning to put the poke command in the C64’s that disabled the keyboard. Looking back on it, I feel I was responsible for the Spectrum’s success. As a gamer, I was introduced to them by my Uncle. He first had a Pong console, then one of those that had ten games built in, then a BBC Micro. I got a C64. Used to love going to London too see the various shops with display set ups.
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Post by X201 on Sept 15, 2022 11:32:43 GMT
I used to go into Dixons and make it look like the Spectrum was loading something I'd get the screen to show the loading command Program: OUT RUN (or whatever the latest game was) Then do the RAND USR command that made the loading bars appear. Then bugger off
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