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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 9, 2023 11:35:50 GMT
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Post by zephro on Apr 9, 2023 11:37:57 GMT
Nope. "Publicly funded" perhaps, if you stretch the definition. I still wonder why they use the term TV licence still because we all know it's a tax to keep the Beeb funded. It's not as if I need a test to be able to watch whatever middle aged white guy they got this time to go round the country and "explore it like never before". Because it's not a tax? HMRC aren't involved at any point. Doesn't go near a government spreadsheet. Even if you do pay the government (which again this doesn't) for some service that's isn't actually a tax, say renewing your passport or paying for your driving license isn't a tax.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 9, 2023 11:40:37 GMT
I still wonder why they use the term TV licence still because we all know it's a tax to keep the Beeb funded. It's not as if I need a test to be able to watch whatever middle aged white guy they got this time to go round the country and "explore it like never before". Because it's not a tax? HMRC aren't involved at any point. Doesn't go near a government spreadsheet. Even if you do pay the government (which again this doesn't) for some service that's isn't actually a tax, say renewing your passport or paying for your driving license isn't a tax. I'm not using tax in its literal form here, but what officially would it be classed as?
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Post by zephro on Apr 9, 2023 11:42:04 GMT
What it's officially called, a license fee on having a TV. Like a hunting license or a driving license etc. Though this one isn't administered by a Government body at all.
Whether that's the correct funding model for the 21st Century is a different matter.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 9, 2023 11:44:54 GMT
What it's officially called, a license fee on having a TV. Like a hunting license or a driving license etc. Though this one isn't administered by a Government body at all. Whether that's the correct funding model for the 21st Century is a different matter. I think this is what I'm getting at, the term licence brings up completely different connotations for me and I suppose leads to me also thinking that I don't think it's the right funding model especially with that classification of 'licence'. I dunno it's always come across as odd to me.
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Post by technoish on Apr 9, 2023 11:45:38 GMT
To be fair in the definition for state funded they also include direct or indirect political control as a criteria, so BBC currently might actually match this.
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Post by zephro on Apr 9, 2023 11:48:12 GMT
Yeah it is weird, especially nowadays. As the technical distinction between the house's TV and a computer with a monitor or a phone is basically non-existent. But before the 00s it does make sense, getting a TV and hooking it up to the UK broadcast network cost a fee. Like phone lines etc.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 9, 2023 11:53:04 GMT
Yeah it is weird, especially nowadays. As the technical distinction between the house's TV and a computer with a monitor or a phone is basically non-existent. But before the 00s it does make sense, getting a TV and hooking it up to the UK broadcast network cost a fee. Like phone lines etc. I haven't lived in the UK for a while now, but to clarify as I think you used to work for the Beeb, you still need a licence even if you're only using a laptop?
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Post by Danno on Apr 9, 2023 12:19:00 GMT
If you can access iplayer you probably need a TV licence. I doubt they'd let you off.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 9, 2023 12:20:14 GMT
Matt Taibbi, of Twitter files came, is having a good time of it. After being ripped apart in some interviews, he’s now said he’s leaving Twitter and sticking to Substack, and now Elon has blocked being able to find his Twitter Files threads in search as retaliation and is accusing him of being a Substack employee/shill. The funny thing about Substack Notes - which is what Elon got in a strop about and Taibbi defected to - is that nobody would have known and/or cared about Substack Notes until Elon Streisanded its name into news coverage. Now lots of people know about an up-and-coming alternative to Twitter!
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Post by Whizzo on Apr 9, 2023 13:25:25 GMT
Another example of Twitter still being fun occasionally, this is excellent.
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Post by zephro on Apr 9, 2023 16:21:12 GMT
Yeah it is weird, especially nowadays. As the technical distinction between the house's TV and a computer with a monitor or a phone is basically non-existent. But before the 00s it does make sense, getting a TV and hooking it up to the UK broadcast network cost a fee. Like phone lines etc. I haven't lived in the UK for a while now, but to clarify as I think you used to work for the Beeb, you still need a licence even if you're only using a laptop? You do. Hence it's kinda weird these days since iPlayer was invented. But not to use the websites (unless you start watching live video of something like a rugby match). It's got politicised lately, any kind of reform, as the Tories just want to use it as an excuse to cripple the BBC. But then they got their people onto the board and such and suddenly decided it didn't need reform. Once they're in opposition they'll change their mind again etc. Basically it's been a political football for 15 years now.
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Post by khanivor on Apr 10, 2023 17:47:31 GMT
PBS is most certainly not a state media. Not even 20% of its funding comes from government grants
Unlike, say Tesla… other than it’s Starlink I wonder how much of Space-X’s income comes from elsewhere than the public purse…
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Apr 10, 2023 20:26:48 GMT
He's... changed his name on Twitter...
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Post by Vortex on Apr 10, 2023 20:31:05 GMT
My sides.
The japes, they just never... Start.
What a twat.
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Post by Reviewer on Apr 10, 2023 20:35:20 GMT
I believe Tesla has had more state funding than NPR :) So has SpaceX.
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Post by Reviewer on Apr 10, 2023 20:36:58 GMT
He’s making me realise how lucky we’ve been that most other billionaires aren’t massive attention whores.
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Post by geefe on Apr 10, 2023 22:08:21 GMT
Yeah. At least Bezos knows to shut the fuck up
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 10, 2023 22:23:06 GMT
He's... changed his name on Twitter... He's such a busy man. Very. Busy.
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Post by Whizzo on Apr 11, 2023 0:18:40 GMT
The Eight Dollars extension gets Musk's tick slightly wrong (if you click on it it says "This account is verified because it's an affiliate of @twitter on Twitter") but I think it's fair to say that Space Karen has paid for Twitter and by rather a stupid amount.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Apr 12, 2023 4:47:59 GMT
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Post by elstoof on Apr 12, 2023 5:23:48 GMT
He comes across really well
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Post by geefe on Apr 12, 2023 6:56:36 GMT
Tesla execs must be absolutely bricking it. There's no way anyone sanctioned this move.
From what I have read, it's more Elon bullshit but he did admit to having only gone through with the sale because he had to.
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Post by darkling on Apr 12, 2023 7:27:53 GMT
What it's officially called, a license fee on having a TV. Like a hunting license or a driving license etc. Though this one isn't administered by a Government body at all. Whether that's the correct funding model for the 21st Century is a different matter. In the last 6 months I've watched precisely two things on iPlayer; The latest Stewart Lee stand up shows and Wild Isles. That's cost me £79.50 (£13.25/mth). I'd say it's absolutely the wrong funding model for the 21st century. Interesting Horizon documentaries have all but been replaced by Stacey Dooley, talent competitions, and cheap, throwaway, fly on the wall documentaries such as "Made Up in Belfast".
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Post by elstoof on Apr 12, 2023 7:43:41 GMT
That’s primarily because the government are putting immense pressure on it to cut spending, interesting documentaries cost money
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Post by geefe on Apr 12, 2023 7:50:13 GMT
I'd rather they just not make shit if the alternative is putting bullshit like Stacey Dooley on everything. In the old days, none of her bullshit would fly.
The charter should be
Education Providing space for diverse voices that are hard to fund Facts and stuff
If they really want to cut costs, they can chin off stuff like Graham Norton, Match of the Day, etc. Don't get rid of the things that actually make you good.
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Post by askew on Apr 12, 2023 7:59:54 GMT
TV for Quakers!
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Post by pierrepressure on Apr 12, 2023 8:00:21 GMT
The children's stuff on there is great, have you seen the competition?
I'm a strong believer in the value of the BBC but the way in which it's run at the moment and with government interference makes it harder and harder to justify.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 12, 2023 8:01:06 GMT
I'd rather they just not make shit if the alternative is putting bullshit like Stacey Dooley on everything. In the old days, none of her bullshit would fly. The charter should be Education Providing space for diverse voices that are hard to fund Facts and stuff If they really want to cut costs, they can chin off stuff like Graham Norton, Match of the Day, etc. Don't get rid of the things that actually make you good. They problem with things like facts, education and especially diverse voices is that it would be called woke and attacked and lobbied against. And in all honesty i think there is, and should be a space, for light entertainment. I don't watch it myself but I absolutely guarantee that those shows - Graham Norton, Match of the Day, get far larger viewing figures than any documentary. I don't really give a shit about football but it's very important for a lot of people and it would be ignorant to disregard it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 12, 2023 8:28:29 GMT
The other problem is if they only make serious stuff then the number of viewers will drop dramatically, at which point they get shrunk and the serious stuff is gone too.
I get the problem with the license fee, but I can't think of a better way to do it.
I just think in the past they've done a very bad job of making it seem like good value for money. A lot of people's first encounter with the license fee is getting stressed about it at uni and told that they'll get nicked if they don't have a license. They'd have engendered a lot more goodwill by making things like student license fees a nominal amount like 1 quid a month.
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