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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 24, 2024 9:41:20 GMT
Didn't get that position in the end despite being told it was an excellent interview, that i have exceptional qualifications and experience for the role. In fact someone else was chosen who "better meets their needs at this time". And I've had two subsequent rejection emails as I type this so my life is going really great right now.
It honestly feels like some hidden figure somewhere has been fucking over my life constantly for the last 41 years. I don't really know how much energy I have left to keep going.
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Post by dmukgr on Oct 24, 2024 9:46:52 GMT
That’s shit. Probably someone’s mate got it instead.
Hopefully it’s a real sliding doors moment and by missing it you’ve been saved a load of grief that you won’t even ever know about.
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Post by otto on Oct 24, 2024 9:47:46 GMT
Sorry to hear that. The whole work/career treadmill bollocks just sucks so hard.
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Post by rftp on Oct 24, 2024 9:56:07 GMT
Sorry to hear that Jambo.
Keep at it, a change gon' come.
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Post by rhaegyr on Oct 24, 2024 9:57:18 GMT
Sucks to hear Jambo - keep at it mate, as trite as it sounds now you'll land something eventually.
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Post by zisssou on Oct 24, 2024 10:09:13 GMT
Sorry to hear that Jambo. I have similar views myself! Just got to keep going somehow.. dust yourself off. Easy to say of course.
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Post by otto on Oct 24, 2024 10:37:41 GMT
I've been extremely lucky to be fair, in that I managed to nab an effective job for life while I was still in my mid-20s, so I haven't had to worry about job security, and I do genuinely appreciate my good fortune, however at the same time career progression has been non-existent, office politics has been a constant challenge to mental health, long distance commuting has played havoc with family life, and it's damn hard to stay motivated and positive. And then to top it all there was fucking Brexit. Proper first world problems you might reasonably say but I am so looking forward to retirement, now just peeking over the horizon.
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Post by dmukgr on Oct 24, 2024 10:50:23 GMT
Since my enforced break nearly two weeks ago now it’s amazing how much I’ve decompressed and it’s highlighted what a toil 29 years in the same place, with no break, has been. The politics etc. have all vanished overnight and I’m definitely not doing anything until after Christmas now.
I keep going over the numbers in my head, working out how little I could live on. Being a drop out is sooooo appealing. Of course, the fab autumn weather we’ve been having helps loads too.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 24, 2024 11:03:06 GMT
Sorry to hear that Jambo. I imagine it was an internal candidate.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 24, 2024 11:07:09 GMT
I've been extremely lucky to be fair, in that I managed to nab an effective job for life while I was still in my mid-20s, so I haven't had to worry about job security, and I do genuinely appreciate my good fortune, however at the same time career progression has been non-existent, office politics has been a constant challenge to mental health, long distance commuting has played havoc with family life, and it's damn hard to stay motivated and positive. And then to top it all there was fucking Brexit. Proper first world problems you might reasonably say but I am so looking forward to retirement, now just peeking over the horizon. Much the same tbh. Not the career I had planned but it's been a good one overall. I feel like I'm making a difference but the constant déjà vu and whim of Ministers and seniors does my head in a bit. I made the conscious decision not to progress any more and nary a day goes by that I don't regret that. 9 years and counting! |
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Post by quadfather on Oct 24, 2024 11:20:54 GMT
Since my enforced break nearly two weeks ago now it’s amazing how much I’ve decompressed and it’s highlighted what a toil 29 years in the same place, with no break, has been. The politics etc. have all vanished overnight and I’m definitely not doing anything until after Christmas now. I keep going over the numbers in my head, working out how little I could live on. Being a drop out is sooooo appealing. Of course, the fab autumn weather we’ve been having helps loads too. It's amazing when you step back out of it all and take stock isn't it? It really makes you appreciate life more. I did the same with the sums etc and my perception and approach to work now is 100% different. I've now got a low level job, on money I can live on, decent people and great place to work, work from home 3 days a week and it's 15 mins drive in when I do go in. Should have done it years ago etc |
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Post by quadfather on Oct 24, 2024 11:21:26 GMT
Sorry to hear that Jambo, sounds like it might have gone internal.
Keep at it!
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Post by dmukgr on Oct 24, 2024 11:22:44 GMT
If we all get great jobs that we enjoy though, how will this forum survive?
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Post by quadfather on Oct 24, 2024 11:32:16 GMT
It's a gamble I'm willing to take
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Post by JonFE on Oct 24, 2024 12:50:04 GMT
Sorry to read that Jambo. Agreed, it would be nice if life threw a straight ball instead of curved one at you once in a while, but you have to keep trying mate.
That said, I guess you can spill the beans, quaddy took the job from ya, right?!?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 24, 2024 12:57:48 GMT
I literally have no idea. I don't even believe it was an internal applicant because the role was for people to join their team for what is a flat organisation. I don't really want to go there but it is a reality in my profession that there are specific "qualities" that are desired that I cannnot control and the job was specifically teaching Hungarian business clients and the person who got it was described as "we feel better meets the needs of the company at this time". This is after telling me my "experience and qualifications are very impressive". I try to keep an open mind about these things but sometimes Occam's razor just applies really well.
Doesn't matter at this point, I have an interview in person with a recruiter tomorrow giving me stuff that I am no way interested in but I feel at this point I have no choice but to do something that I know I'm not going to enjoy. Great.
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Post by drakeypoos on Oct 24, 2024 13:06:50 GMT
Internal or favour to an external mate. Our entire department was lead by mates of the director bar about two or three managers. My manager had to almost abandon my team to pick up for long term sick of one of these, then left because of unfair workload. The director has now f*cked off, presumably fired, and another of these parachute cases has been on sick after moving to another dept and is rumoured not to be coming back.
Whatever the ethics of nepotism, when they know full well who they are picking, making people go through modern application and interview processes is simply not on because taking out any emotion, we invest hours per application. It would be better to drop the pretence of fairness in this case and save us the bother. It’s rife, which is of course human nature but I think there are far fewer real opportunities than it appears on paper.
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Post by rftp on Oct 24, 2024 13:22:14 GMT
I literally have no idea. I don't even believe it was an internal applicant because the role was for people to join their team for what is a flat organisation. I don't really want to go there but it is a reality in my profession that there are specific "qualities" that are desired that I cannnot control and the job was specifically teaching Hungarian business clients and the person who got it was described as "we feel better meets the needs of the company at this time". This is after telling me my "experience and qualifications are very impressive". I try to keep an open mind about these things but sometimes Occam's razor just applies really well. Doesn't matter at this point, I have an interview in person with a recruiter tomorrow giving me stuff that I am no way interested in but I feel at this point I have no choice but to do something that I know I'm not going to enjoy. Great. Genuine sympathies. Could you manage to do something like that for a while, using it as a stepping stone whilst you find something else? |
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Post by quadfather on Oct 24, 2024 13:27:02 GMT
Do self storage for a bit till you fund something!
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Post by Frog on Oct 24, 2024 13:31:43 GMT
Terrible advice 😂
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 24, 2024 13:32:25 GMT
I literally have no idea. I don't even believe it was an internal applicant because the role was for people to join their team for what is a flat organisation. I don't really want to go there but it is a reality in my profession that there are specific "qualities" that are desired that I cannnot control and the job was specifically teaching Hungarian business clients and the person who got it was described as "we feel better meets the needs of the company at this time". This is after telling me my "experience and qualifications are very impressive". I try to keep an open mind about these things but sometimes Occam's razor just applies really well. Doesn't matter at this point, I have an interview in person with a recruiter tomorrow giving me stuff that I am no way interested in but I feel at this point I have no choice but to do something that I know I'm not going to enjoy. Great. Genuine sympathies. Could you manage to do something like that for a while, using it as a stepping stone whilst you find something else? That's pretty much what I'm planning really. It's back in schools which I really hate but feel I don't really have a choice. |
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Post by rftp on Oct 24, 2024 13:56:59 GMT
I can definitely understand why that would not be what you wanted. The idea fills me with dread and I've never done it (couldn't possibly do it).
I don't know a great deal about teaching in the UK, but can you do contracting or anything like that or is it all full time, fixed stuff? It's often easier IME to find a job when you're already employed and at least you'd have the fallback whilst you looked around for other options.
And lean on/shout vent at us and the Work thread.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 24, 2024 14:07:49 GMT
I can definitely understand why that would not be what you wanted. The idea fills me with dread and I've never done it (couldn't possibly do it). I don't know a great deal about teaching in the UK, but can you do contracting or anything like that or is it all full time, fixed stuff? It's often easier IME to find a job when you're already employed and at least you'd have the fallback whilst you looked around for other options. And lean on/shout vent at us and the Work thread. I said to the recruiter that I'm open to fixed and non fixed roles, some that are just on a week by week basis like temp cover teachers. I'm just going to have a chat with them tomorrow and see what's what. I would rather do a more pastoral role in schools than actually teach in a school again because it can be some of the worst and best stuff going and in my experience and people I know it leans to more worst experience. I did it before and was unhappy everyday. It's just fucking annoying to get offered jobs that I have no real interest in and everything I want it's either they never get back to you or "you have great experience and qualifications, but..." |
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Post by nazo on Oct 24, 2024 15:35:46 GMT
I don't really want to go there but it is a reality in my profession that there are specific "qualities" that are desired that I cannnot control and the job was specifically teaching Hungarian business clients and the person who got it was described as "we feel better meets the needs of the company at this time". Ah, you mean in the way a language school I used to work at, whose clients were primarily bored Japanese housewives, preferred hiring tall, blonde, blue-eyed male teachers for some reason? |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 24, 2024 15:42:02 GMT
I don't really want to go there but it is a reality in my profession that there are specific "qualities" that are desired that I cannnot control and the job was specifically teaching Hungarian business clients and the person who got it was described as "we feel better meets the needs of the company at this time". Ah, you mean in the way a language school I used to work at, whose clients were primarily bored Japanese housewives, preferred hiring tall, blonde, blue-eyed male teachers for some reason? Pretty much. It's not lost on me. You have to do twice as much to prove yourself. It is what it is at this point and I don't let it really bother me. At the moment everything is leading me to leave the UK because it's not really working out. At least I gave it a shot. |
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Post by Blue_Mike on Oct 24, 2024 16:52:14 GMT
Called somebody at work out on their anti-trans bullshit today. It should be the younger ones calling the older ones out on stuff like this, not the other way around for fucks sake.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2024 10:22:19 GMT
Two rejections within 1 minute of each other this morning. I literally tick every box of their requirements and moreso and have 10yrs of experience against their asking of 2. I'm not even sure I know what they're really after anymore. I'm just baffled rather than angry.
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Post by quadfather on Oct 28, 2024 11:41:05 GMT
Two rejections within 1 minute of each other this morning. I literally tick every box of their requirements and moreso and have 10yrs of experience against their asking of 2. I'm not even sure I know what they're really after anymore. I'm just baffled rather than angry. I had this mate when I was looking. Ignore it if you can and just crack on, even though it makes zero sense what they're coming back with. Something will turn up. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2024 11:43:12 GMT
Two rejections within 1 minute of each other this morning. I literally tick every box of their requirements and moreso and have 10yrs of experience against their asking of 2. I'm not even sure I know what they're really after anymore. I'm just baffled rather than angry. I had this mate when I was looking. Ignore it if you can and just crack on, even though it makes zero sense what they're coming back with. Something will turn up. Do you think experience can work against you because they think this person is going to leave if something better comes along? |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 28, 2024 11:52:22 GMT
As a recruiter, yes but….. I’ve recently taken on a few overqualified people older than me who were very aware I would think this and explained they wanted to take a step back and get back to the more hands on, operational side of things and that did go a long way to putting those concerns aside.
Time will tell if they are being straight but if you’re finding it an obstacle, you could try hitting it head on even if your reason is bullshit.
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