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Post by quadfather on Oct 11, 2024 16:17:45 GMT
It's your turn now then!
Any news at all?
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Frog
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Post by Frog on Oct 11, 2024 16:20:01 GMT
Nah nothing, had a small break from applying as it wasn't doing me any good mentally. Looking again but not finding much.
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Post by quadfather on Oct 11, 2024 16:36:27 GMT
Something will turn up, I'm sure
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Post by Frog on Oct 11, 2024 16:37:23 GMT
Yeah, death at some point 😂
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Post by quadfather on Oct 11, 2024 16:39:40 GMT
Go and have a pint you miserable sod  |
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Post by Lizard on Oct 11, 2024 16:51:51 GMT
The government have made a decision regarding the break-up of our organisation. Restructure that was postponed until March now back on apparently. Told to expect something by November. No word on what the government's decision is, though...
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apollo
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Post by apollo on Oct 15, 2024 12:39:10 GMT
for people that work with devs using trello or jira cards, do you write acceptance criteria when the devs need to estimate size of task? (before any work is done)
the way it works is we create a card to say there is new feature or bug and we use get a estimation of the size of a job from all the info we have then we create the AC and it always worked. But the new person (who is new and zero experience with the product) is demanding we do it her way despite the fact she just throws into AI (and it messed up a job as we didn't know something about the product)
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Post by jeepers on Oct 15, 2024 12:44:14 GMT
Are you saying that the Devs write the acceptance criteria? That would be a big No from me.
I’d have thought that the devs would need the AC to estimate also. They’re tolerances.
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Post by apollo on Oct 15, 2024 12:48:52 GMT
Are you saying that the Devs write the acceptance criteria? That would be a big No from me. I’d have thought that the devs would need the AC to estimate also. They’re tolerances. sorry, we create the AC once we get all the info in the past
the problem we face now if there is something we don't know (eg feature A is broken and does this) the devs moan its not in the AC and we need to update the AC and they need to re-estimate as they follow the AC word for word and will only do that.
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Post by jeepers on Oct 15, 2024 13:03:33 GMT
If your devs are saying that a broken feature wasn’t stipulated by AC as “Needs to work” then you need to slap them all hard.
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Post by apollo on Oct 15, 2024 13:10:14 GMT
If your devs are saying that a broken feature wasn’t stipulated by AC as “Needs to work” then you need to slap them all hard. believe me I want to! (but stuck with them)
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 15, 2024 14:14:08 GMT
Where are your testers? Are they not involved in refinement and estimating?
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Post by apollo on Oct 15, 2024 15:04:04 GMT
Where are your testers? Are they not involved in refinement and estimating? I work in a small team and now its pretty much just me testing (testing the new work). (although I can ask another team but they just mutter its not really their job) It use to work well under the former manager, give the devs as much info we can and create wireframes etc and never a problem and then create the AC. Also without saying too much, the system is really old and drowning in tech debt |
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 15, 2024 15:36:48 GMT
If devs are sticking to the ACs as the strict definition of done (I'd agree with that as it's something everyone can commit to as a way of measuring the outcome), there's a ways of working thing to thrash out, i.e. What does a dev (sprint?) ready ticket look like. I'd be wary of estimating without documenting ACs as they're a good way to spot edge cases and unspoken assumptions.
Do you have a BA, Product Owner or Scrum/Delivery Manager in the team?
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Post by LegendaryApe on Oct 15, 2024 16:27:52 GMT
My wife works in testing and everything you're all saying sounds so familiar and almost makes sense, in that we both work from home and I hear those words from her all day.
It's like that scene in 13th Warrior when Antonio Banderas is picking up the language of the Vikings and is slowly putting all the words together.
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Post by zisssou on Oct 15, 2024 16:40:18 GMT
We have a product owner that writes the AC alongside the scrum master, who is also a lead developer. Then in estimations we debate how long it’ll take, or any issues etc. Isn’t there a conflict of interest if a tester is writing the AC here. As in you can manipulate the AC to be whatever you want to get it tested.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 15, 2024 16:49:26 GMT
I'd (Product) normally have a BA writing the ACs with the team. The testers are always best at making sure the ACs are clear and unambiguous, plus asking the "what if"s. Depends on the testing strategy too, i.e. manual vs automated, and if writing ACs in Gherkin is needed/preferred (it's a nice simple syntax for any tests).
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Post by quadfather on Oct 15, 2024 16:59:51 GMT
Dare I say it, the new job is going well.
I might just leave it at that, to not jinx it
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Post by apollo on Oct 15, 2024 17:15:56 GMT
If devs are sticking to the ACs as the strict definition of done (I'd agree with that as it's something everyone can commit to as a way of measuring the outcome), there's a ways of working thing to thrash out, i.e. What does a dev (sprint?) ready ticket look like. I'd be wary of estimating without documenting ACs as they're a good way to spot edge cases and unspoken assumptions. Do you have a BA, Product Owner or Scrum/Delivery Manager in the team? We had a product owner/manager, she left and the company didn't replace her , so I got the task despite not done this before. We work in kanban method and not really in sprints as work
I will keep to this new method and see how it goes
thanks everyone!
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Post by cubby on Oct 15, 2024 19:58:45 GMT
I had no idea so many of you guys work in air conditioning.
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Post by zisssou on Oct 16, 2024 8:29:52 GMT
Just had the document for the consultancy. It reads that I might be safe? But I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket...
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 16, 2024 9:13:32 GMT
Just had the document for the consultancy. It reads that I might be safe? But I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket... Definitely don't do that. Only person you really trust is yourself in this situation. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 16, 2024 9:15:40 GMT
Just finished an interview for one place. Exactly what I'm looking for, really got on with the guy doing the interview and thought I did really well. They obviously have other interviews this week and next week, but I think i did really well and was heartened to hear the interviewer start off the interview being impressed with my CV that he had read previously.
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Post by mrpon on Oct 16, 2024 9:27:33 GMT
Sounds like you did really well.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 16, 2024 9:28:08 GMT
Sounds like you did really well. I see what you did there. |
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Post by dfunked on Oct 16, 2024 9:28:35 GMT
Good stuff. Fingers crossed!
Absolutely hate it in interviews when they start reading through your CV clearly for the first time. Both sides need to prepare for interviews FFS!
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Post by zisssou on Oct 16, 2024 9:34:55 GMT
Just had the document for the consultancy. It reads that I might be safe? But I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket... Definitely don't do that. Only person you really trust is yourself in this situation. Yep. Apparently they're paying out 50% on top of statutory too, which isn't too shabby. I think I worked it out at roughly 4-5 months pay, and if I live 'lean'.. as in don't buy loads of shit I don't need. So, money isn't too much of a concern. Hope you get yourself a second interview! |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 16, 2024 9:37:35 GMT
Definitely don't do that. Only person you really trust is yourself in this situation. Yep. Apparently they're paying out 50% on top of statutory too, which isn't too shabby. I think I worked it out at roughly 4-5 months pay, and if I live 'lean'.. as in don't buy loads of shit I don't need. So, money isn't too much of a concern. Hope you get yourself a second interview! Hope you get what you should. Especially so near to Christmas. |
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Post by dmukgr on Oct 17, 2024 10:14:05 GMT
Also, giffgaff are pretty good mobile providers. I’ve a PAC code now and will join GiffGaff at the start of November. If you send me a referral link you get £15 apparently. |
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Post by rftp on Oct 17, 2024 10:33:08 GMT
It's budgets day. I've been sat in meetings talking about how we can cut platform costs for two and a half hours.
There are times I really want to go back to being an engineer.
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