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Post by mothercruncher on Aug 28, 2022 12:57:04 GMT
Yep, place up the road does half a tipper truck for £85.
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Post by askew on Aug 28, 2022 13:02:27 GMT
Pfft, just burn books:
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 28, 2022 13:05:24 GMT
Ahh, a Libertarian. Of course.
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Post by dmukgr on Aug 28, 2022 13:08:48 GMT
“Burn wood, old books etc.”
Maybe he’s onto something here and etc stands for eccosse’s technogel crap.
Imagine burning that and releasing all the heat that has been soaked up by them over the years - it could cause a second summer, in the middle of winter.
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Post by henroben on Aug 28, 2022 13:34:47 GMT
He's a bit behind the times, you haven't been able to buy 'wet' wood or house coal for well over a year. That Lekto stuff is for people to ponce about with their pizza oven really, I don't think anyone would seriously be considering heating their house with it, it'd cost a fortune! Having sawn and split roughly 1/3rd of a cubic meter of hornbeam this morning with a bow saw and an axe, I can safely say that free wood is over rated... it's bloody hard work! |
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Post by nexus6 on Aug 28, 2022 14:15:11 GMT
He's a bit behind the times, you haven't been able to buy 'wet' wood or house coal for well over a year. That Lekto stuff is for people to ponce about with their pizza oven really, I don't think anyone would seriously be considering heating their house with it, it'd cost a fortune! Having sawn and split roughly 1/3rd of a cubic meter of hornbeam this morning with a bow saw and an axe, I can safely say that free wood is over rated... it's bloody hard work! There is a saying that a wood stove heats you 3 times - once when you chop the tree down, once when you split and stack it and once again when you burn it |
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Post by technoish on Aug 28, 2022 15:36:37 GMT
Whitehorse energy in stock, at £140 per m3.
I have struggled to find good prices that deliver to central London.
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Post by Zuluhero on Aug 28, 2022 16:29:25 GMT
I recently had this discussion with the in laws, just because you're finding alternative energy solutions; heat, power,whatever, you're just shifting the cost around and sometimes not even saving anything.
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Post by technoish on Aug 28, 2022 16:57:52 GMT
I recently had this discussion with the in laws, just because you're finding alternative energy solutions; heat, power,whatever, you're just shifting the cost around and sometimes not even saving anything. Yeah... A 450kg m3 of hardwood firewood at 16MJ per kG is 7200MJ of energy output, divide by 3.6 is 2000 kWh. Current gas price that is £140, so wood would need to be cheaper than that to make any sense. But from September it's £300. |
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Post by simple on Aug 28, 2022 17:07:46 GMT
I’m sure I remember from my morbid teen days watching a documentary about spontaneous human combustion that said the fat in people burns super hot so if anyone kicks the bucket from the cold the rest of the household could just throw a cosy home cremation
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Post by elstoof on Aug 28, 2022 17:08:01 GMT
Most of the heat goes up the chimney anyway
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 28, 2022 17:16:41 GMT
That’s why the chimney needs to be blocked up. Got to maximise the heat retention.
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Post by elstoof on Aug 28, 2022 17:21:09 GMT
Fucking country
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Post by pierrepressure on Aug 28, 2022 17:39:40 GMT
I'll be working from home and putting on The Big Coat™️.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Aug 28, 2022 17:50:54 GMT
We were paying 150 euro for tray full of olive and oak in one of those old light pick up isuzu trucks, quite a massive pile of wood and we´d have to get about 3 loads over the winter maybe one more. Curious to see what they will charge this year but it is worth it.
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Post by nexus6 on Aug 28, 2022 18:06:47 GMT
Most of the heat goes up the chimney anyway That's why log burners are more efficient - they radiate the heat to the rooms. The chimney is blocked other than the flue, which is insulated. |
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Post by simple on Aug 28, 2022 18:09:12 GMT
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Post by technoish on Aug 28, 2022 18:21:32 GMT
Most of the heat goes up the chimney anyway That's why log burners are more efficient - they radiate the heat to the rooms. The chimney is blocked other than the flue, which is insulated. They also burn more of the wood matter, etc. |
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Post by nexus6 on Aug 28, 2022 18:29:03 GMT
That's why log burners are more efficient - they radiate the heat to the rooms. The chimney is blocked other than the flue, which is insulated. They also burn more of the wood matter, etc. Yep they are very cleverly designed to burn the stuff more thoroughly. All in a good deal. And they look lovely with the flames too. Just worried the little one will go to touch the glass and melt her face on to the glass. Yes, I could get a guard but it spoils the view! |
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Post by Zuluhero on Aug 28, 2022 18:33:17 GMT
I thought they were stopping the installation of new log burners?
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Post by minimatt on Aug 28, 2022 18:50:42 GMT
it's on the cards, and much as I love the aesthetics, and the current house (and last for that matter) doesn't even have gas so choices are limited to wood, coal & oil, but burners really aren't good for the environment no matter how much I'd love it to be so. You can fairly make the case that burning wood can be carbon neutral but it's the particulates that are really grim
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Post by X201 on Aug 28, 2022 18:52:18 GMT
I thought they were stopping the installation of new log burners? No, there’s a new eco standard that they must adhere to. That is the only allowed type of log burner. Also, they’ve banned the most polluting fuels Basically the usual Tory fudge |
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Post by Zomoniac on Aug 28, 2022 22:33:20 GMT
Said it before in another thread but will add here; if you have a wood burner, a £40 stove fan makes a ridiculous difference to how effective they are and are essential.
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Post by technoish on Aug 28, 2022 22:51:44 GMT
On kids, I think main issue is falling onto it. The smart ones stay away from hot stuff.
We got an actually really very aesthetically pleasing fireguard for not too many coppers.
On particulates: the next step will be to require a chimney filter. Probably a good business to invest in. As far as I can see the ones on the UK market all come from Norway (they all list Norwegian standards anyway). They are like 2k tho before installation, so price will need to come down, but expect it would with mass adoption. I am tempted to put one in to assuage my middle class guilt.
A proper specced wood burning stove is probably still many times better than a charcoal BBQ.
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Post by geefe on Aug 29, 2022 6:45:22 GMT
Not sure how accurate but there's a yougov pol out suggesting half of TORY voters surveyed want renationalisation of energy.
Can't find the details but it was in Times and the morning tv ticker. Think it's about 47% of those surveyed, but I would assume yougov have a good sample.
Much like when Boris refused to suspend the MP because of bloody mindedness, this is a case of them refusing to do anything because it may harm them ends up doing more harm to them.
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Post by Frog on Aug 29, 2022 6:52:13 GMT
Not sure about that as I went to look but could t find it. Their current dissaproval rate is at 64% though with only an 18 percent approval. You have to wonder how those 18% think they are doing a good job though.
It's the 65 plus group with 35% thinking they are doing a good job, let's see how you feel when your heating bill comes in this year Mavis.
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Post by Zuluhero on Aug 29, 2022 8:26:55 GMT
There will be cognitive dissonance for sure, but there will also be a bunch of people who either just let them get on with it, believe what they're told or just think they're not responsible for the issues that we're dealing with.
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Post by simple on Aug 29, 2022 9:03:37 GMT
Yeah but Labour would have taken us back to the 1970s. Not like the current government with its inflation hikes, energy crisis and widespread industrial action.
I’m 100% certain that whatever fudge the Tories eventually put in place will cost about five times what nationalisation or direct intervention would, be too late to help and be targeted at the wrong people.
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Post by Chopsen on Aug 29, 2022 10:18:14 GMT
Employers will be able to give their employees a one off payment to help with costs, and offset that against their employers NI bill. However the employee needs a form filled out by their GP. Both employer and GP need to submit data online using platforms that have been outsourced to two separate companies, and it will take 1 year until the system is up and running, and a further 18 months to get the two platforms to talk to each other. There is also a 32 page paper form to fill in that needs to be sent to the DVLA for Reasons.
There will be a clawback mechanism somewhow involving corporation tax because fuck you. The rules around the clamining process will be so complex you'd end up having to engage an accountant to sort it out.
Most of the money ends up being claimed by ltd companies set up explicitly for the purpose of clamining this benefit, and not those that it is intended to benefit because it's just too complicated..
Meanwhile, people on UC die.
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Post by cubby on Aug 29, 2022 10:21:17 GMT
Yeah I think cutting corporation tax to 0% is going to be the proposed solution, there is no other way to fix this.
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