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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 13:18:41 GMT
There was a guy overhauling DS2s lighting and shit, been at it for years. Looks like he's put it on hold to tinker with DS1 now though.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 3, 2021 13:35:57 GMT
It's sad when people lose their way
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Post by marcp on Sept 3, 2021 14:23:50 GMT
From can't have junked all the work done on the original version surely? Then again, if they'd kept it I suppose it would have appeared on PC. This IS From, after all.
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Post by wunty on Aug 12, 2024 16:22:09 GMT
This is the best thread for the best game
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Post by Aunty Treats on Aug 12, 2024 16:22:41 GMT
Yes
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Post by Aunty Treats on Aug 12, 2024 16:23:09 GMT
And may he rest in peace
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Post by wunty on Aug 15, 2024 7:13:31 GMT
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Post by Aunty Treats on Aug 15, 2024 7:26:44 GMT
I didn't know any of those things
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Post by wunty on Aug 15, 2024 8:05:55 GMT
I'm still finding new things I didn't know about. Going through Eleum Loyce with the boy the other day and he's like "you can kill the golems before they even come alive". Turns out he was right. Also, in Shulva, I'm positive you couldn't harm the ghosts at all before you destroyed their bodies, so all these years I've been legging it past them to smash the corpses up first. Again though, the boy tells me you can kill them, they're just a bit tougher.
Didn't know that. Didn't know that. I also don't think I knew about the large boar in Majula.
Anyway. I'ts a fucking awesome game and I still love playing it. I love playing them all mind you. But DS2 always feels a bit more like my comfort zone gaming.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Aug 15, 2024 8:16:33 GMT
I also did not know those things either!
Majula is such a lovely hub area with the music and ocean view
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Post by JonFE on Aug 15, 2024 8:23:07 GMT
I have an OP character JuniorFE made for me earlier this year to play with through the Scholar edition, I'm saving it for a dry season.
Only played the vanilla one (+DLC) before and don't remember much to be honest, so it'll be a hoot!
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Post by wunty on Aug 15, 2024 8:45:25 GMT
I also did not know those things either! Majula is such a lovely hub area with the music and ocean view It's my favourite hub area hands down.
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Post by wunty on Aug 15, 2024 8:48:27 GMT
I have an OP character JuniorFE made for me earlier this year to play with through the Scholar edition, I'm saving it for a dry season.
Only played the vanilla one (+DLC) before and don't remember much to be honest, so it'll be a hoot! You should play it. It's fucking amazing. They actually made torches viable again as well. Not just the darkness, but certain enemies. I never go through the Wharf or Brightstone Cove without a plentiful supply.
What I like specifically about DS2 is that, love it or hate it, it's it's own thing. Like Dark Souls 1. Dark Souls 3 was a greatest hits spliced with Bloodborne (and the first time it really did feel as though FROM were reusing assets, enemy models and animations), but DS2 truly feels unique.
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Post by retro74 on Aug 15, 2024 10:13:21 GMT
I don’t think it’s revisionist thinking to say Dark Souls II was good, we all said it was good at the time, it just wasn’t AS good. Still a very good game, just not a masterpiece like their other games
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Post by wunty on Aug 15, 2024 10:17:11 GMT
Not the EG massive, but the internet as a whole seemed to hate on it quite a lot. I recall the EG thread always being quite positive about it.
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Post by retro74 on Aug 15, 2024 10:19:31 GMT
I have read / watched some revisionist garbage about Demon’s though,
“It was badly received at the time”
“It was never a hard game, you could breeze through it in a couple of days”
I watched (part of) one video where the creator had never even played the OG version and was trying to explain what it was like to play Demon’s back in 2010 based on his experiences of the PS5 version plus many years of FROM games since
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Post by retro74 on Aug 15, 2024 10:21:53 GMT
Not the EG massive, but the internet as a whole seemed to hate on it quite a lot. I recall the EG thread always being quite positive about it. Definitely I really enjoyed it a lot but after parrying and riposting every single thing in Dark Souls I hated the change to that mechanic Also did not like the soul memory mechanic, which destroyed the ability to create summon specific builds
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Post by rhaegyr on Aug 15, 2024 10:27:13 GMT
I liked it well enough, it just didn't have that many special 'moments' outside of the DLC that I can remember.
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Post by wunty on Aug 15, 2024 10:32:27 GMT
Not the EG massive, but the internet as a whole seemed to hate on it quite a lot. I recall the EG thread always being quite positive about it. Definitely I really enjoyed it a lot but after parrying and riposting every single thing in Dark Souls I hated the change to that mechanic Also did not like the soul memory mechanic, which destroyed the ability to create summon specific builds They've kind of ruined summon builds ever since tbh. Even now in DS1 remastered you're nerfed if you create a strong low soul level character and get summoned or you invade.
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Post by peacemaker on Aug 15, 2024 10:36:08 GMT
Not the EG massive, but the internet as a whole seemed to hate on it quite a lot. I recall the EG thread always being quite positive about it. It’s an amazing game and I really enjoyed the dlc. It’s just their worst game. I will replay it again and some point it’s just hard to when all the others one are just better. I think it’s worst part for me it’s just the world. It’s so disjointed it’s like most of the other games that try and copy from software. A lot of it feels like another developer was given the op to make a dark souls game. They did a great game but you know it wasn’t from.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Aug 15, 2024 10:39:40 GMT
I also did not know those things either! Majula is such a lovely hub area with the music and ocean view It's my favourite hub area hands down. Easily. There aren't many pleasant areas in From games. I've always liked making trips to Majula- it's similar to going back to town in Diablo
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Post by Aunty Treats on Aug 15, 2024 10:43:36 GMT
DS1 is a masterpiece until it's not, DS3 doesn't have the connected level design of 1 either. DS2 is made by From. It's a shame so many people are coloured against it just because one person's name isn't on it. It does lots of things better and/or more interestingly than the other games
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Post by rhaegyr on Aug 15, 2024 10:54:41 GMT
Not the EG massive, but the internet as a whole seemed to hate on it quite a lot. I recall the EG thread always being quite positive about it. It’s an amazing game and I really enjoyed the dlc. It’s just their worst game. I will replay it again and some point it’s just hard to when all the others one are just better. I think it’s worst part for me it’s just the world. It’s so disjointed it’s like most of the other games that try and copy from software. A lot of it feels like another developer was given the op to make a dark souls game. They did a great game but you know it wasn’t from. Agree with most of this apart from the last bit. I finished it twice back in the day (one vanialla, one SOTFS) - every time I've tried to go back to it subsequently I drop it as soon as I get to the dull brown of Earthen Peak/Huntsman's Copse/Harvest Valley. My biggest gripe is that the bosses are just a bit shit throughout (DLC excluded). DS1 had some pants bosses but they also had O&S, Sif, Gwyn etc. The only decent boss in the base game was Mirror Knight and even he wasn't much of a challenge. DLC bosses are fantastic throughout though.
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Post by peacemaker on Aug 15, 2024 11:18:28 GMT
I hope their next game is something fresh on the formula like bloodborne and sekiro did at the time. The dark souls games and elden ring are some of my all time favourite games but there’s something extra special about bb and sekiro.
I’m sure if I thought of a top 50 games of all time all of their “souls” games would be in there and bb and sekiro would be in the top 5.
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Post by RadicalRex on Aug 15, 2024 11:58:14 GMT
I've only followed Souls content for about 7 months, but even in that time public opinion kept shifting as major influencers on stream and Youtube set the tone. Apparently, for a long time popular content creators like Asmongold kept saying that DS2 is shit. Then last year there was a popular video on YT saying that DS2 was actually good but SotFS ruined it (btw the same guy who recently made another video claiming that SOTE is the worst Fromsoft DLC ever), and others followed suit and so the trending opinion became "DS2 good, SotFS bad". Most recently, a smaller Youtuber gained traction with videos calling out these SotFS haters as dishonest manipulative arseholes and again opinion is now shifting towards DS2 actually not being a bad game in any version--and to me the linked article looks like a part of this resurgence.
So in little over half a year, I witnessed the prevalent opinion shifting from DS2 bad to SotFS bad to both good. I've only played through the trilogy once and DS2 (SotFS) was indeed my least favourite of the 3, but I'd never call it an outright bad game. I do think it has some specific issues the others didn't have, but at the same time it seems that it's become a lightning rod to deflect criticisms from the other games in the series, like annoying runbacks and some terrible hit detection. E.g. I've seen many videos of some terrible hit detection in DS2 with descriptions like "DS2 amirite lol" as if that was a problem only in that one game. When Elden Ring has some similarly scandalous hit detection, it's much more likely to be handwaved away (often with "git gud" comments) because apparently the Miyazaki games don't deserve the same thrashing as DS2.
I can imagine that at some time it was more positively received because it was simply the newest, youngest entry in the series, but after the return of Miyazaki with the more popular DS3, in popular opinion it became the unwanted middle child from a different father that's ok to use as a punching bag. It's not quite the same, but it reminds me of how western Super Mario Bros. 2 was once a beloved new Mario game but nowadays the consensus is that it sucks because it's not a Mario game.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Aug 15, 2024 13:15:48 GMT
The other big strike against DS2 is that, from what I've read, they completely pulled the lighting system from the game at the last minute, which I imagine did it no favours on release
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Post by wunty on Aug 15, 2024 13:22:05 GMT
Aw man. I was showing the boy the E3 trailer the other day. Still gutted it never released like that. I mean, the version they DID release was crisper and more detailed, but the lighting... That would have been fucking immense.
It looks, to my crap stupid eyes (and I'm probably wrong), that what possibly happened was that they changed engine. From what I've read in the past (and again, could well be wrong), it seems like DS2 uses a completely different engine from DS1. The E3 trailer looks more on a par with DS1 (and in fact, DS3 and Bloodborne), because of the kind of "melty" texture look. If you fire up DS2 now, it's very obvious it's VERY different in that regards.
Again, may be talking out my bumhole.
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Post by JuniorFE on Aug 15, 2024 13:31:17 GMT
The molasses Estus in DS2 (and slow healing in general) automatically disqualifies it from being top IMHO (I know, I know, ADP, but even if it helped as much as it should have you still have to go through a lot of the game before it's good). In a vacuum no one would give a damn, but it's not in a vacuum, it's part of a series, and the difference compared to the others is very noticeable.
It's far from the affront to humanity some people thought it was though. Not being the best of a very good series still leaves you as a very good game regardless.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Aug 15, 2024 13:36:11 GMT
I've never even noticed the Estus thing (although I do tend to invest in ADP). The bosses being largely easy reduces the issue a bit anyway. Plus it's the only from game where you can carry around a load of alternative healing items
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Post by JuniorFE on Aug 15, 2024 13:39:11 GMT
I've never even noticed the Estus thing (although I do tend to invest in ADP). The bosses being largely easy reduces the issue a bit anyway. Plus it's the only from game where you can carry around a load of alternative healing items COUGHDemon's SoulsCOUGH
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