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Post by stuz359 on May 8, 2024 20:53:28 GMT
these companies shouldn't be allowed to buy all these companies and then turn around start cutting staff. MS having all these major publishers should not of been allowed as its bad for the industry. Agreed, should be an anti-trust issue, but government doesn't do that these days.
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Post by Whizzo on May 8, 2024 20:55:09 GMT
The CMA tried but eventually even they had to throw in the towel.
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Post by Tuffty on May 8, 2024 21:49:10 GMT
Its pretty clear where the priorities lie. They just wanted the Call of Duty series.
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Post by Resident Knievel on May 8, 2024 22:02:11 GMT
Game Pass was stupidly good value during the pandemic when you could buy it for buttons with gold cards and I had loads of spare time.
Now we're at the stage that if it goes up in price again, there's got to be a game I'm really desperate to play for me to re-sub. Probably Forza 6 whenever that comes out.
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Post by Vandelay on May 8, 2024 22:34:40 GMT
I did Humble monthly last month and actually now thinking that it is a much better deal then Game Pass. Drop in and out as you want, and you get to keep the games even when you aren't subscribed. It's a big bonus, although I can't imagine Microsoft ever adopting a similar approach, as they want to keep people subscribed. Plus, the keys are mostly Steam keys, so you don't need to use the shitty Microsoft app.
Shame the quality of the games is a bit all over the place. Last month there were 3-4 games I wanted to play. This month it is 1 maybe 2. Still better than the quality you get from PS Plus.
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Post by Whizzo on May 9, 2024 1:03:03 GMT
It's like ABK bought Xbox rather than the other way around at times.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 9, 2024 1:36:23 GMT
Weren't all the gamers annoyed when they tried to block the activision thing based on competition laws? Are they the same ones who are now annoyed that MS is cutting staff/studios? Game Pass was stupidly good value during the pandemic when you could buy it for buttons with gold cards and I had loads of spare time. Now we're at the stage that if it goes up in price again, there's got to be a game I'm really desperate to play for me to re-sub. Probably Forza 6 whenever that comes out. The problem with all these subscription services (for me) is that they're great value if you have massive amounts of free time to consume them, but less so if you only want to use them rarely. I probably play games like 30mins a week, and listen to spotify about an hour a week, so they're a lot less cost-effective than if I was a student and was consuming hours of each of them every day. Gamepass is also gonna follow the path of all such subscription services, and the price will increase again and again once they have users locked in, plus things will fragment as each publisher/platform goes subscription only. So you'll need to subscribe to 5 different games services. AAA gaming has gone like AAA movies. At least the indie / mid-size game market seems pretty strong right now. Though they're competing with these massive GaaS timesinks. But tbh I thought PC gaming in particular would have died out by now, with everything moving to mobile gaming, the decline in desktop and even laptop sales, etc.. but it still seems to be going pretty strong.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 9, 2024 3:13:59 GMT
Great..
How did this guy get into this position? Must have a lot of dirt on someone
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 9, 2024 4:16:59 GMT
Those do seem like the kind of games that will be needed at a regular pace on subscription services. Though I wonder if they've decided it's cheaper to just pay external devs for their small prestige games than to develop them themselves.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 9, 2024 4:34:10 GMT
He claimed all Bethesda's studios are spread too thin and lacking resources. If only a mega rich company had bought them and could have given them the resources.
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Post by Frog on May 9, 2024 5:03:44 GMT
Not sure anyone would be throwing money at arcane Austin after Redfall.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 9, 2024 6:09:33 GMT
To be fair, they didn't want to make the game and actually wanted MS to cancel it when they took over. They also had stated prepping for a new Dishonored.
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Post by Tuffty on May 9, 2024 6:29:26 GMT
Not sure anyone would be throwing money at arcane Austin after Redfall. Bit harsh on them, they made Prey which is one of the best in its genre. It's a bit mad to get a single player game studio to make a GaaS and then blame them for it when, as pointed above, they were hoping it would be cancelled. The studio gets the chop while those that made the decision to have them make a GaaS stays. Oh go fuck yourself
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Post by Frog on May 9, 2024 6:34:04 GMT
I often don't want to do what I'm made to at work, if I churned out shit of Redfall standard I would be sacked. Even if your heart isn't in it you still have to perform to an acceptable standard.
I definitely feel more for the Ollie Ollie studio (even though I didn't like rollerdrome I can see it's a good game) as all of their games have been polished but they tend to be critical successes rather than commercial ones.
It boils down to how long should you keep a studio open when it's not turning a profit and the games are hitting critical acclaim but the majority of people aren't interested in paying it.
It's easy to get caught in the internet bubble but outside of it not that may people care about dishonoured. The sequel sold around 2.5 million copies across all platforms despite an apparent desperate want for a sequel (it's q better game than the first in my opinion as well).
Prey is also another game that got critical acclaim and sold hardly any units.
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Post by Frog on May 9, 2024 6:48:18 GMT
Also don't get me wrong, job losses for all involved are awful but there does need to be a sustainable market for the products and I'm not sure there is at the moment due to market oversaturation. Look at some of the months releases, there are just too many games out for them all to find a market.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on May 9, 2024 6:54:53 GMT
Of all the ones that got nerfed, Arcane was the gutpunch. I was really hoping for a follow up to Prey.
The founder that left, Rafael Colontonio stated he was working on a sci-fi im-sim so hopefully we get something there
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 9, 2024 7:06:10 GMT
They'd be exactly the kind of studio that'd be good for smaller critically acclaimed games though, which would be great for gamepass.
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Post by Frog on May 9, 2024 7:12:21 GMT
You would think so, but I don't think anyone really bought Olli Olli world. I think it was Jeff Grub saying a while back that it failed to get any real traction despite the excellent critical reception.
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Post by rhaegyr on May 9, 2024 7:12:23 GMT
Prey wasn't that good and I say that as someone who played it to completion.
Great initial atmosphere and fantastic level design and choices but poor monster variety, dull combat/stealth, a drab visual look and unoriginal story dragged it down.
It's the kind of game that was begging for a sequel as the main pieces were all there, just needed a fair bit of fine tuning.
Hopefully most of the staff will be taken on at Arkane Lyon or other Bethesda Studios.
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Post by apollo on May 9, 2024 7:29:04 GMT
Weren't all the gamers annoyed when they tried to block the activision thing based on competition laws? Are they the same ones who are now annoyed that MS is cutting staff/studios? Yes, the deranged xbox fanboys were frothing at the mouth and demanding MS to turn off the use of windows for all business and users in the UK.
Really sane and level headed response there...
at the time they were saying MS should then buy Sega and capcom next!
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Post by baihu1983 on May 9, 2024 7:32:59 GMT
Good thing sega have already said no.
I just want to see Nintendo's reaction the next time Spencer gets in touch.
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Post by apollo on May 9, 2024 7:35:20 GMT
Prey wasn't that good and I say that as someone who played it to completion. Great initial atmosphere and fantastic level design and choices but poor monster variety, dull combat/stealth, a drab visual look and unoriginal story dragged it down. It's the kind of game that was begging for a sequel as the main pieces were all there, just needed a fair bit of fine tuning. Hopefully most of the staff will be taken on at Arkane Lyon or other Bethesda Studios.Hope they don't have to work in the elderscrolls online and fallout 76 content mines? (which is happening to one of the other studios
I liked Prey but agree with the poor monster variety, liked the art deco art style
Studios/publishers need to look at how much a game will sell vs budget, a new Prey or dishonoured can work, it just will not be AAA level budget game. 2d dishonoured can work - something like Mark of the ninja style
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Post by rhaegyr on May 9, 2024 7:36:32 GMT
Wasn't it leaked a while ago that Dishonored 3 is being worked on? If Arkane Lyon are focusing on Blade who's doing that?
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 9, 2024 7:50:22 GMT
Lots of people said that the Prey DLC was really good.
You'd think Dishonored must have been making a decent amount of money if there was a Dishonoured 2 and they were working on a Dishonored 3. Not CoD / Fortnite levels of money, but not their level of cost either.
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Post by Frog on May 9, 2024 7:52:19 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 9, 2024 7:55:45 GMT
Wasn't it leaked a while ago that Dishonored 3 is being worked on? If Arkane Lyon are focusing on Blade who's doing that? Austin Hi-Fi Rush 2 was also being planned by Tango.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 9, 2024 7:58:19 GMT
Yep. Several messaged me over live when I was playing it a couple days early to ask how. Pretty much every one of them ended the conversation with I've just left or I'm leaving next week.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 9, 2024 8:08:57 GMT
There's a reasonably high turnover in games dev anyway though, especially with people leaving as projects launch. If the company is managed in a sustainable way, the junior people should be gaining experience to replace those that are leaving.
It was probably higher than usual if Redfall was unpopular and set up to fail, but it doesn't mean that those that remained were all useless.
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Post by Ulythium on May 9, 2024 8:14:20 GMT
The founder that left, Rafael Colontonio stated he was working on a sci-fi im-sim so hopefully we get something there
I didn't play Weird West - the first game from Colantonio's studio - but it wasn't all that popular with critics or players, from what I can tell.
Hopefully their second attempt will be better.
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Post by apollo on May 9, 2024 8:21:45 GMT
I played Weird West (gamepass) and its quite buggy and broken, its much better now. Its pretty good although the max payne slow mo diving didn't work to well on joypad when aiming
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