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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 29, 2024 18:53:21 GMT
So they left MS and got straight into a partnership with.. MS
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 29, 2024 18:53:59 GMT
Yeah seems a tad odd.
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Post by malek86 on Feb 29, 2024 18:55:53 GMT
Maybe they were willing to work with MS, but not for MS?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 29, 2024 19:20:50 GMT
I don't think it's weird at all, they want the independence so they don't fully become a CoD support studio which they were slowly turning into and they can still work on the stuff they're good at on their own terms.
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Post by Frog on Feb 29, 2024 21:15:11 GMT
Quite happy to see that, I would rather the studios that know what they are doing with cod keep working on it and these other studios be moved to other areas.
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Post by baihu1983 on Mar 24, 2024 5:48:47 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 7, 2024 13:36:16 GMT
Oh fuck off..
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Post by JuniorFE on May 7, 2024 13:38:49 GMT
Microsoft is where game studios go to die
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 7, 2024 13:42:04 GMT
Have they taken over from EA?
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Post by Fake_Blood on May 7, 2024 13:43:50 GMT
It used to be Rare.
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Post by Frog on May 7, 2024 13:52:35 GMT
Surprised Tango are going, hifi rush was excellent.
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Post by richyroo on May 7, 2024 13:52:49 GMT
If this is true, it seems like an absolutely mental decision.
Hi-Fi Rush has only just released on the PS5 FFS. A critically acclaimed and well received game. Where is the logic?!!!
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Post by baihu1983 on May 7, 2024 13:53:41 GMT
And the switch version just got rated.
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Post by Tuffty on May 7, 2024 13:59:19 GMT
Oh fuck off with Tango. Hi-Fi Rush actually Xbox One's best exclusive til it wasn't. Is Arkane not doing Blade? Or is it in a different location?
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Post by Derblington on May 7, 2024 13:59:49 GMT
Well, Mikami left. And as good as Hifi Rush may be (I own it, unplayed atm) I doubt it's particulalry easy owning and operating a Japanese company that may not have any strong design leadership.
Arkane Austin are also high output studio, what with both the Dishonored and Prey games behind them. Redfall fucked it, and again reports that all the experienced staff jumped ship before it launched, so maybe they don't see much vision for it's immediate future.
Ed: Arkane Lyon are dev'ing Blade.
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Post by zisssou on May 7, 2024 14:04:07 GMT
Sigh.
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Post by Whizzo on May 7, 2024 14:10:53 GMT
There's some irony in an Xbox owned studio's last game being a PS5 port.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 7, 2024 14:11:08 GMT
Wow. This was unexpected. So one bad game in the case of Arkane Austin and off you go then? And with Tango you actually make some great Xbox games and off you go? The executives at MS are really earning their inflated salaries here.
Also something that people have missed is that the press release also confirms that Redfall is basically dead seeing as the people who bought the edition with the season pass they are able to claim back the value of it. So that's that then.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 7, 2024 14:13:29 GMT
Looks like the FTC was very right in one area  How do you close a studio after Hi-Fi Rush? |
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 7, 2024 14:16:07 GMT
I would imagine some studios at MS are looking really worried now. I'm looking at you 343 Industries.
This really feels like the inevitable sacrifice for the whole Activision purchase because I know many higher ups in MS were not happy about the whole thing.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 7, 2024 14:22:28 GMT
IGN received an email that was sent to staff by Matt Booty, the head of Xbox Game Studios, which attributes the shutdowns to “reprioritization of titles and resources” to focus on “high-impact” games. The full email as published by IGN reads as follows:
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Post by Ulythium on May 7, 2024 14:27:07 GMT
Wow - definitely didn't see this coming.
Arkane Austin co-developed Dishonored, then did Prey and Redfall by themselves, right? It seems very harsh indeed to bin them off after one bad game, especially considering how excellent Dishonored and Prey were.
I wonder whether Harvey Smith will strike out on his own now, or whether he'll move over to Arkane Lyon.
As for Tango, that seems really harsh as well - I know Ghostwire wasn't universally adored, but it didn't strike me as a total disaster or anything, while the Evil Within games were both pretty good (and Hi-Fi Rush is supposed to be excellent).
Another shitty day in the AAA gaming industry, that's for sure.
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Post by Ulythium on May 7, 2024 14:31:55 GMT
Redfall's season pass owners will receive "make-good offers" to cover the cost of the upgrade, which I assume is a corporate bullshit term meaning "store credit."
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 7, 2024 14:33:48 GMT
Christ this is the same bullshit that Square Enix came out in response to the lower than expected sale for Rebirth and the cancellation of some in development games. They wanted to focus on the big hitters.
It's a really weird view because there are actually games out there, quite specific offbeat games, like Manor Born and moreso Helldivers 2, that are indie and AA games doing ridiculous business because they are offering something different. Not everyone wants a AAA open world, skill tree, xp giving, coloured loot game. People want a well thought out experience that offers something very specific, perhaps niche that isn't just a cookie cutter version of the last game in the series with better graphics. You could say that's why Starfield didn't do as well, it looks far better than Bethesda's previous output but it's fundamentally the same game we've been playing for god knows how long but with more loading screens. I don't think any big publisher in the industry has learnt this yet and is going down this route of massive games that take 6-7 years to develop and if they crash then the studio is gone. It's mind boggling.
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Post by rhaegyr on May 7, 2024 14:38:04 GMT
Really gutted for Tango Gameworks as Hi-Fi Rush was fantastic and I really enjoyed Evil Within 2. I'm guessing Shinji Mikami's departure sealed their fate.
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Post by simple on May 7, 2024 14:38:18 GMT
If Redfall is to blame then that feels extra harsh given that stank of being made as an edict from a committee on high compared to their actually good games, Prey and the Dishonoreds, seeming more creative/dev led.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 7, 2024 14:41:08 GMT
If Redfall is to blame then that feels extra harsh given that stank of being made as an edict from a committee on high compared to their actually good games, Prey and the Dishonoreds, seeming more creative/dev led. Don't forget the studio actually hoped MS would cancel it when they bought Bethesda. |
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Post by Phattso on May 7, 2024 14:42:45 GMT
Redfall's season pass owners will receive "make-good offers" to cover the cost of the upgrade, which I assume is a corporate bullshit term meaning "store credit." I mean, we're talking about five people here so they'll probably just refund them. Sad, if not unexpected, day. The bulk of Arkane continues at least, which is good news. Tango I can't say I care one way or the other, beyond obviously being sad that a bunch of presumably good folk are looking for work. Hi Fi Rush was great, but I think it's the only one of their games I've ever played. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 7, 2024 14:42:54 GMT
And those higher ups who made a single player immersive game studio do a watered down GaaS all get to keep their jobs.
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Post by Vandelay on May 7, 2024 14:49:43 GMT
I wonder if this is more a reaction to the sudden need to get more Fallout content out there then the performance of those individual developers.
Tango definitely seems a weird one, with HiFi Rush being so good. No idea how well it sold, but it came out of nowhere and seemed to get a lot of buzz around it.
Arkane Austin probably isn't that surprising. I love their games, but they have all underperformed and Redfall was a disaster.
2024 is proving to be a shit time for those working in the AAA gaming industry.
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