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Post by erekose on Jan 11, 2022 17:40:06 GMT
I keep hearing ‘biome 1, Biome 2, biome this, biome that, blah blah blah’… Whatever happened to saying ‘levels’ in gaming parlance? Is there a difference between the two words or am I just getting old?
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Post by razz on Jan 11, 2022 17:40:41 GMT
Open world games init
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 11, 2022 17:42:38 GMT
Linearity I would imagine. I think it's mainly used in roguelikes and open world games; themed areas
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jan 11, 2022 17:42:59 GMT
I think the simplest explanation is within open world games, you don't have levels but you can have ice areas, jungle areas, desert etc. These are biomes.
In regular platformers where there are clear distinctions between the start and ends, these are levels. Self contained with a hard line/load between each.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 17:44:26 GMT
I still prefer the word stage.
Back in my day, we call biomes "stages." And we bad a finite amount of lives. If we fucked it and died we had to try again from the very beginning!
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 11, 2022 17:46:10 GMT
Who let granddad out of the unpopular opinions thread again
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Post by Frog on Jan 11, 2022 17:47:51 GMT
Wasn't this a discussion on the giant bomb podcast?
Basically the word biome gets misused everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 17:48:03 GMT
I need to rest my eyes a bit. 😴
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Post by Lukus on Jan 11, 2022 17:48:54 GMT
Zones?
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Post by razz on Jan 11, 2022 17:53:35 GMT
If this is something that bothers you, you should probably get a prostate exam. Prostate cancer is a silent killer for the 40+
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 18:36:52 GMT
I just keep thinking of that legendary film starring Pauly Shore.
"BIO-DOME"
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jan 11, 2022 19:05:36 GMT
I just keep thinking of that legendary film starring Pauly Shore. "BIO-DOME" Classic! What do you want out of life ? To die and come back as a leotard 🤣
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Post by sport✅ on Jan 11, 2022 22:39:46 GMT
I just keep thinking of that legendary film starring Pauly Shore. "BIO-DOME" Iron man, Iron man, does whatever an iron can!
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 12, 2022 0:04:39 GMT
I assume it originated* with Minecraft, because in that case the world is actually generating different areas as different biomes (forest, tundra, taiga, desert. mountains, etc..) Then it got applied to other open world games that have differently themed worlds *actually, being the internet, I assume someone will correct me on this.
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Post by LTK on Jan 12, 2022 0:18:47 GMT
I've never heard it applied to games other than Minecraft, and it's correctly applied to Minecraft because, as BillbutnotBen says, the procedural generation in Minecraft divides the continuous world into zones with varying weather, flora, fauna, etc. It only makes sense to refer to 'stages' or 'levels' if the world is discrete, i.e. is not an open world but divided into separate areas with clear level transitions. Super Mario Odyssey has huge levels with clear transitions, but Dark Souls has a continuous world where, even though each area is named, you can't really speak of them as levels or stages.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 0:20:37 GMT
I've only seen it in Returnal and Subnautica and think it's used correctly for them.
But I wouldn't really care if someone used it incorrectly. It's better than stages.
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Post by zagibu on Jan 12, 2022 0:25:35 GMT
Calling Dark Souls different areas biomes would be both wrong and stupid, though. The reason why people keep incorrectly applying such words, is because they are dumb and think using sciency words makes them sound smart.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 12, 2022 0:28:23 GMT
Do people consider Dark Souls open world?
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Post by LTK on Jan 12, 2022 1:40:40 GMT
Strictly speaking, it is a game where you can move continuously through the world with few hard level transitions: only Anor Londo and Oolacile cannot be walked to. It doesn't fit the mold that open world games have now thoroughly worn out, but the promise of "you can go anywhere you want from the get-go" holds true for Dark Souls as much as it does for other open worlds.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 12, 2022 6:46:37 GMT
That's true, yeah. You can also return to any point at any time as well, right back to the start of the game. I think Dark Souls does have soft transitions though, you can easily separate it into sections if you wanted to. Even more so in 2 where many of the area transitions don't make sense spacially.
I can't really think of any game that has the same sense of place as Dark Souls. Even after just playing through them once, I feel like I've got them mapped out in my head without any effort to do so. Amazing considering none of the games have a map and I've never once felt like I needed one. I practically know the placement of every enemy and item in Bloodborne
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Post by britesparc on Jan 12, 2022 11:34:01 GMT
I was writing for BBC Bitesize last year and I had to do an entire episode about biomes. Not in videogames, but in real life. It was quite weird as - whilst I'm sure I'd heard the word before because I knew roughly what it meant - it seems like I'd only heard it conversationally when applied to Minecraft in the last couple of years.
But now kids are being taught about it at school. Hopefully this will mean people will stop misusing it when referring to areas within a game...
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Post by [maven] on Jan 12, 2022 12:27:35 GMT
I'd say biome is something like a "tile-set" that is then used with some random / procedural level generation, whereas a level is a fixed asset (with no variation).
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Post by Zyrr on Jan 12, 2022 13:50:44 GMT
"Biome" makes perfect sense in Returnal as each level is environmentally very different ie jungle, desert, etc., but I still use "levels" for most games or "areas" if I'm talking about something like Dark Souls. I still have a fondness for the wonderfully old-school term "screens". Not a particularly useful metric for progression these days though!
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Post by Derblington on Jan 12, 2022 13:58:11 GMT
Biomes are location specific environments that levels, missions or maps are set within.
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Post by erekose on Jan 12, 2022 14:29:54 GMT
I still prefer the word stage. Back in my day, we call biomes "stages." And we bad a finite amount of lives. If we fucked it and died we had to try again from the very beginning! ‘Stages’! Almost sounds retro now!
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Post by Quasi on Jan 12, 2022 15:47:04 GMT
Back in my day, we called 'em "boards". And sodey pop cost a nickel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 15:50:51 GMT
And we walked to and from school up a hill in the snow!
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Post by Zuluhero on Jan 12, 2022 18:03:04 GMT
My favourite biome in Sonic 1 was Green Hills zone.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 12, 2022 18:13:59 GMT
You don't hear people talking about how Scrap Brain Zone is basically Sonic Blade Runner
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Post by 111 on Jan 12, 2022 19:42:02 GMT
People keep talking about the new Halo only having one "biome" in reference to the whole map being the same grassy mountains setting and I had entirely put it down to people using a sciencey sounding word because they think it makes them sound smart.
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