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Post by gammonbanter on Dec 7, 2021 22:59:59 GMT
I came in here to ask folks for bets when the next one will be announced. It’s going to happen. There's a Netflix animation incoming, which has potential I suppose. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 7, 2021 23:46:37 GMT
I don't think they'll do another one soon. Their best bet is probably to leave it for 10 years, and then when they announce a new one everyone will go crazy because by that time people will have 're-evaluated' the sequels and decided they're great.
Although, if the rights are still held by a relatively small studio then they might be forced to keep pumping them out just because it's their only big franchise.
Maybe netflix will do a live action series with Henry Cavill
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Post by 😎 on Dec 7, 2021 23:48:18 GMT
Animated series voiced by Chris Pratt
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Post by Lizard on Dec 8, 2021 5:58:04 GMT
I'm keen for a sitcom. Maybe Sarah is related to Roseanne.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 8, 2021 11:44:11 GMT
I've been wondering but is Terminator as a franchise still relevant? At this point it feels like a dead horse that some people are still trying to claim is alive and kicking. I love T1 and T2 but it feels like after so many terrible installments any nostalgia I have for it has been killed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 12:37:58 GMT
I don't think it's been a relevant franchise since T2 tbh. There certainly hasn't seemed to be any actual demands by the masses for one since T3 anyway surely. It's that reason I think every one since has bombed. I still maintain they aren't terrible films, and a lot worse does better at the box office, it's just... Nobody really wants them any more. The younger generations have no attachment and I can imagine it's really only us old bastards that give a shit about Aliens, Predator, Terminator, Robocop etc etc.
I have no evidence to back any of the above up but that's not going to stop me typing it.
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Post by britesparc on Dec 8, 2021 13:02:45 GMT
All of those franchises are interesting because they're so revered and feel "present", like a going conern, but they've only really got one or two good films each. You could argue they stopped being relevant in 1991 but they just keep trying to make new ones.
And - hey - I love 'em all, but I do wonder if we'll ever get a decent film out of any of them again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 13:14:15 GMT
I suppose it's one of those things but do we actually "need" another film from any of them? The originals exist, and are a product of their time. I would actually rather they stopped making things for all of them. Apart from games. Games are cool as tech is now at the point that we can relive our favourite films in game form (see the aformentioned Terminator Resistance but also Alien Isolation [hell Fireteam as well and even parts of Colonial Marines]) but I don't think we need new films trying to either recapture what made the originals great or trying something new, which history proves doesn't sit well with fans. Let's face it. We're all fans of the original films because of what they are. We're not going to be happy with anything else. We want to recapture what we felt watching the originals and that isn't possible.
Games. Games are the future.
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Post by britesparc on Dec 8, 2021 13:31:20 GMT
I think of all of them, I'm okay with them doing new Predator movies every now and again, because I think you can take that race and drop them in other times or places to hopefully make something new. That new film Prey, which is set hundreds of years ago and is basically (as I understand) a Predator versus a Comanche warrior, sounds interesting. But I broadly agree: we've tried multiple times to make new ones, very rarely are any of them good, let's stop and move onto some other franchises! I want Air Force Two! 2 Crimson 2 Tide! Small Soldiers: Their Next Assignment!
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Post by khanivor on Dec 8, 2021 14:19:31 GMT
I was hoping for Even Smaller Soldiers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 14:24:52 GMT
A sequel to E.T would be the best. I am still waiting for that E.T and Home Alone crossover tbh.
E.Two: Phone Home Alone
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Post by britesparc on Dec 8, 2021 14:33:30 GMT
I find it bonkers that they did actually plan a sequel to ET, which would have seen him return to Earth to protect Elliot from a gang of evil aliens who were attacking their house. It sounds more like a horror film than the first one. Not surprising that Spielberg sacked it off.
In fact, now I'm writing about it, I *think* that the leader of the evil aliens had a mowhawk and was referred to as "Stripe", and when the project was shelved El Senior Spielbergo suggested that idea to Joe Dante for the leader of the Gremlins.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 14:52:10 GMT
Probably for the best. ET wouldn't have been able to protect jack shit really would he. He was basically a sack of potatoes with a head.
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Post by lexw on Dec 8, 2021 15:05:11 GMT
I find it bonkers that they did actually plan a sequel to ET, which would have seen him return to Earth to protect Elliot from a gang of evil aliens who were attacking their house. It sounds more like a horror film than the first one. Not surprising that Spielberg sacked it off. In fact, now I'm writing about it, I *think* that the leader of the evil aliens had a mowhawk and was referred to as "Stripe", and when the project was shelved El Senior Spielbergo suggested that idea to Joe Dante for the leader of the Gremlins. As attractive as that idea is, that doesn't seem to be the case. The actual script treatment is here: genius.com/Steven-spielberg-et-ii-nocturnal-fears-annotatedAnd the the leader of the bad aliens doesn't seem to be called or referred to as "Stripe" (rather he's "Korel"), and they look like ET but albino (white skin, red eyes, way to stigmatize an already stigmatized condition, ya wankers). Which isn't to say some ideas from the script might not have been passed on to Dante by Spielberg. Also everyone seems to agree that Chris Colombus came up with the idea for Gremlins, wrote up a spec script, and showed it to a lot of people before Spielberg got hold of it, and he and eventually Dante made a lot of changes. Obligatory: |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 8, 2021 22:38:46 GMT
I can't remember the details, or find any reference to it, but I remember reading an article a long while back that argued that these 'classic 80s franchises' were never really as big as people think.
The mid 80s was the lowest cinema attendance, possibly due to vhs. A lot of 'big' movies didn't actually do that well by modern standards (though sequels and remakes usually do even worse).
Out generation has a lot of nostalgia for them, but probably saw a lot of them on tv or home video.
Then you have the fact that the 80s is new enough that people still compare them to the originals and have fixed expectations (unlike remakes of very old things like The Mummy (the first remake, that is)).
Plus anyone under 30 has only grown up seeing the sequels, so their image of something like Terminator is probably based on Genisys as much as T1 or T2, or Prometheus as much as Alien/Aliens.
Finally, you have the fact that the overseas box office has become so much more important to big budget movies, and a lot of 'classic 80s movies' didn't make as big an impact in places like china. So there's no built-in audience for them.
(Though I think terminator may be an exception as Arnie was pretty popular overseas).
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Post by retro74 on Dec 8, 2021 22:52:28 GMT
I don’t remember Predator or Robocop being big box office movies so that’s probably the truth
Total Recall was for some reason, loads of hype for that
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Post by anephric on Dec 8, 2021 23:13:45 GMT
UK cinema audiences dipped in the 80s, before rising again in the 90s, but in the US numbers have been consistent, give or take, since the 70s.
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Post by Lukus on Dec 8, 2021 23:17:00 GMT
A sequel to E.T would be the best. I am still waiting for that E.T and Home Alone crossover tbh. E.Two: Phone Home Alone ET returns with an army to fuck shit up. Elliott gets locked up for treason. |
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Post by anephric on Dec 9, 2021 0:07:30 GMT
ET comes back to make sure we have very average broadband speeds.
Oh, and to see Elliot, uh, yeah.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 9, 2021 0:41:21 GMT
ET grows up and goes to the Galactic Senate and attempts to avoid being seduced by all the corruption while also meeting a lovely lady ET and finally having to choose between her and his career.
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Post by simple on Dec 9, 2021 10:02:22 GMT
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Post by simple on Dec 9, 2021 10:05:45 GMT
I can't remember the details, or find any reference to it, but I remember reading an article a long while back that argued that these 'classic 80s franchises' were never really as big as people think. The mid 80s was the lowest cinema attendance, possibly due to vhs. A lot of 'big' movies didn't actually do that well by modern standards (though sequels and remakes usually do even worse). Out generation has a lot of nostalgia for them, but probably saw a lot of them on tv or home video. Then you have the fact that the 80s is new enough that people still compare them to the originals and have fixed expectations (unlike remakes of very old things like The Mummy (the first remake, that is)). Plus anyone under 30 has only grown up seeing the sequels, so their image of something like Terminator is probably based on Genisys as much as T1 or T2, or Prometheus as much as Alien/Aliens. Finally, you have the fact that the overseas box office has become so much more important to big budget movies, and a lot of 'classic 80s movies' didn't make as big an impact in places like china. So there's no built-in audience for them. (Though I think terminator may be an exception as Arnie was pretty popular overseas). This is how something like Timecop weirdly ends up being one of the biggest grossing films by the big classic action movie stars, isn’t it? |
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Post by britesparc on Dec 9, 2021 11:34:20 GMT
I wonder if the reverence (in some quarters!) for 80s stuff is because - maybe due to VHS being in its infancy - these movies got few sporadic cinema sequels, whereas the big 90s schlocky sci-fi treats (Timecop, Universal Soldier, Starship Troopers, etc) all had loads of straight-to-video sequels without the stars, or TV spin-offs. So the 80s ones weren't "diluted" the same way, maybe.
(Please note I am not trying to claim that Timecop is as good as Terminator, RoboCop, or Predator)
Total Recall I guess remains the outlier because it had neither a big-screen sequel or a shitty video spin-off, presumably because people pinned its success onto Arnie, and he never got round to making a second one (although apparently they were considering adapting Minority Report for a while!)
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Post by simple on Dec 9, 2021 11:48:56 GMT
Demolition Man survived reputation intact too
And Highlander manages to be a cult 80s classic and have a load of dodgy sequels and spin-offs.
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Post by snackplissken on Dec 9, 2021 12:37:04 GMT
Probably already been said but they just continue to expand either in sequels or prequels and they largely get it completely wrong. How many timelines of Terminator do we need? Why did we have to know how the xenomorphs were created etc
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Post by simple on Dec 9, 2021 12:53:24 GMT
You’d like to know how Taco Bell won the fast food wars though, right?
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Post by britesparc on Dec 9, 2021 13:34:11 GMT
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Post by simple on Dec 9, 2021 15:06:30 GMT
So Stallone replaced by Chris Pratt and Bullock by Ryan Reynolds?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 9, 2021 15:54:30 GMT
I can't wait to see that sex scene.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 15:55:19 GMT
Chris Pratt getting stuck right into Ryan's bullocks.
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