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Post by Sharzam on Nov 17, 2021 16:46:26 GMT
So, I joined my current company in April 2021 having been contacted by recruiters in Feb 2021.
When I had my initial interviews I came away a bit unsure. In particular the manager seemed a very controlling, aggressive, demanding sort. I overlooked this because they offered me £11k more than my current job and with covid wasn't sure where that job was going.
Anyway fast forward to September and I have been getting increasingly pissed off but the money is good. And partner has been getting job offers all over the UK, we are rather tempted to move to Scotland.
I have now come across a job in Fife which is actually £15k less than my current job but is very much like the job I left previously (and was happy with). I think I can do it and they want to interview me.
Would you walk out of your job for less money and relocating for no reason than fancy it?
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Post by andytheaverage on Nov 17, 2021 16:48:23 GMT
Taking a pay cut is psychologically tough, but being miserable at work is far harder.
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Post by monkman5000 on Nov 17, 2021 16:50:46 GMT
Where do you currently live? No offence to the Scotch, but I imagine Fife is not the most expensive place in the UK to live.
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Post by monkman5000 on Nov 17, 2021 16:51:25 GMT
I hope you like golf.
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Post by Derblington on Nov 17, 2021 16:52:33 GMT
If you can live comfortably on less, yeah. You can make more money but not feeling like you loathe 8 hours of your day is, genuinely, priceless.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Nov 17, 2021 16:53:32 GMT
Will the cost of living go down with the move too, you should factor that into your decision.
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Post by Sharzam on Nov 17, 2021 16:54:24 GMT
I live in Wiltshire, while not the most expensive place in the UK is far from cheap. And more expensive than most of Scotland. So a pay cut wouldn't be a problem from a house buying point of view, but it is quite a large pay cut.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Nov 17, 2021 16:55:08 GMT
Remember with pay cut also comes a tax cut...
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Post by nazo on Nov 17, 2021 16:56:00 GMT
we are rather tempted to move to Scotland Blimey, things must be bad.
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Post by monkman5000 on Nov 17, 2021 16:56:09 GMT
I went to Edinburgh and St Andrews once about 27 years ago. It seemed nice. Do it.
Seriously though, any chance to go and visit before making a decision?
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Post by probablymuttler on Nov 17, 2021 16:59:52 GMT
Really tough choice. I have learnt the hard way that moving to less money should almost always be avoided. But sometimes it is what it is.
Does your partner earn well? Will you be down much as a household, once you allow for lower cost of living?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 17, 2021 17:00:27 GMT
pro-rate your hours, pension, benefits, cost of living blah blah blah and you sometimes find a higher baseline wage isn't all it's cracked up to be.
I've been offered a few things this last year that want more than my current 35 hours a week, so don't work out at a huge pay increase when you factor that in.
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Post by retro74 on Nov 17, 2021 17:26:02 GMT
I would do it but I love the golf
I’d golf all day every day if I could
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Post by darkling on Nov 17, 2021 17:27:32 GMT
Would you walk out of your job for less money and relocating for no reason than fancy it? I did, and I would again. I'm happy with all aspects of my current job, for the first time in my career. It's surprising how meaningless a salary becomes when you're not happy every day. A long-term illness was the catalyst for leaving my (mediocre) job and relocating back to where I grew up. During and immediately after my illness I lived with my parents whilst job hunting, so it gave me a safety net (which maybe you don't have) but it let me be more bold when it came to securing a job. I started a new job and hated the company, so left after a few months. I then searched for another job whilst unemployed, but luckily I work in software development, which is constantly in high demand. I aced a 3 stage interview with another company (the HR rep told me I was "a word beginning with S" for walking out of my previous role... first time I've been insulted my an HR rep) but despite acing the interview process, the company decided they weren't ready to hire new staff... so you have to be prepared for companies wasting your time. I then interviewed for another company who loved me, offered me a very high salary, but it became apparent one of the managers was an arrogant prick, and the work would likely have been long hours and stressful, so I turned down the role... much to the horror / disbelief of my family. Then, once again, I aced another interview process for my current job, and I'm so glad I held out for the right company. I like the work, they listen to my recommendations rather than order me around, and crucially I work with a great bunch of people. If an interview feels "off" as you described, and you hear alarm bells, your intuition is probably correct, and you're better off declining the role and interviewing elsewhere. It's all about listening to your own intuition, weighing up your interviewers as people, and asking the right questions. Ignore other people's opinions... only you will know when you're found the right company.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Nov 17, 2021 17:37:34 GMT
Would you walk out of your job for less money and relocating for no reason than fancy it? Yes, but it depends. If it would make me happier almost immediately then I certainly would. Then again I've moved halfway around the world leaving everything behind with no prospects, thankfully it worked out well. When we next move it will probably be for less money and harder work too.
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Post by suicida on Nov 17, 2021 17:39:13 GMT
Best thing I ever did was walking out of my IT job in London, and moving back to my home town. I'm earning >10 grand a year less but my daily commute went from 3.5hrs a day on the train, to half an hour on a pushbike on a nice little cycle track through a park. Plus I'm not spending 400 quid a month on train fares.
Do the maths to see if you can afford it, but don't forget to take into account your potential quality of life. There's no point earning loads of cash if you're miserable all the fucking time and have no time to spend it.
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Post by Angry_Man_Dan on Nov 17, 2021 18:10:06 GMT
I took a £7k drop just over 3 years ago to go to my current place. Wife was heavily pregnant at the time and I needed somewhere closer to home. Working day plus commute was close to 13 hours - I now work a 10 minute drive away.
Best decision I ever made, I enjoy the work so much more, have a good opportunity for further progression and that £7k drop is now only a £4k drop.
I was going to stay for the money, glad I didn't. Happiness is by far the most important factor! I've been there to see my daughter grow up.
Hope whatever decision you make is right for your and your families well being.
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Post by Sharzam on Nov 17, 2021 18:13:47 GMT
Thanks everyone,
Guess it all comes down to quality of life like you say. I am permanently miserable the only real positive is I have been saving plenty. That savings can make the move relatively easy if we go for it. The other half doesn't earn as much as me and we think her salary won't change much but given the lower cost of living she will be net positive. For myself it isn't so clear. We don't need my current salary but given things are getting more expensive it is difficult to say.
Maybe I should just quit to give more time to a job search and the planning/logistics of moving.
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Post by Vortex on Nov 17, 2021 20:10:48 GMT
No offence to the Scotch, but I imagine Fife is not the most expensive place in the UK to live. Some places like St. Andrews & the pretty seaside villages will be pretty pricy. Other shittier run down places, less so. It is golf & posh University student central round st andrews, but also has some nice stuff nearby because of this. Reasonably close to dundee & Edinburgh for city stuff depending on which side of it you live. Also scenic & rural with tiny winding roads. User DFawkes would be better placed for info.
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Post by gray on Nov 17, 2021 20:23:51 GMT
To give you some balance, I took a near on £20k pay cut to go the opposite way (Scotland to South East) 12-15 years ago. The lack of quality of life (and the shitty weather) made it an easy choice. I've not looked back since.
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 17, 2021 20:32:16 GMT
I’d take a pay cut to do a job I knew would be fun with less responsibility and pressure.
As it is, 5-10 years then do contracting for a few years then retire early I think. If I go anywhere else now I’d either be rubbing a team or they’d expect me to do a load of work I don’t want to do.
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Post by stuz359 on Nov 17, 2021 20:51:44 GMT
I think if I took a pay cut now I'd probably go below the living wage, especially come Aptril.
But, I would say, look at the cost of living as a factor. Look at your combined household income and from the sounds of it, your current job sound like a pain in the arse, factor in the value of your time as well. You may be getting paid more now, but is the extra money worth being miserable for? Factor in your partner moving jobs, them being happier might be worth more than the money lost. Lot's of angles to look at. I suppose the amount we are paid is a status thing, but ultimately doesn't really matter as long as you can afford a comfortable life and should really be a trade off between financial and mental well being.
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Post by zagibu on Nov 17, 2021 21:10:54 GMT
I could easily earn twice as much as I did in my last job, but guess why they are paying so well? The work environment is worth a lot in my book, and I know I would quickly rage quit in those other jobs.
Of course, I don't really have any specific life goals, so I can only guess that money is a bit more important, if you do. I will continue to live as a poor schmuck, and I will die as a poor schmuck, but at least I will not have hated most of the daylight hours in my life.
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Post by rawshark on Nov 17, 2021 21:22:53 GMT
Having once gone from a comfortable but soul destroying job to £0 pa myself, I honestly think everyone should do the same at least once in their life. It acts as a reset and gives you the chance for a new start.
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Post by Zomoniac on Nov 17, 2021 21:32:03 GMT
If I go anywhere else now I’d either be rubbing a team or they’d expect me to do a load of work I don’t want to do. Can I work on your team?
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 17, 2021 21:51:34 GMT
Just think how happy the team would be.
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Post by Nemesis on Nov 17, 2021 21:52:04 GMT
Yep! Done it twice and haven't regretted it. First was OK money, but no real prospects and they started messing me about a bit when my 2nd child was less than 2 months old. Went and worked in London on a short-term contract which was a bit of a step up and certainly riskier compared to a standard PAYE gig, but the people were great and I stayed for a year before moving onto the next contract.
Second was leaving London after 8 years of contract work and taking a big wage drop, but being local meant I had much more time and no more bloody train fares and travel! Sometimes I miss the money, but mostly I'm happier in my life and you do learn to adjust to the money. Mostly
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Nov 17, 2021 21:53:24 GMT
If I could, I would do it in the blink of an eye, Job and Fife.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Nov 17, 2021 22:11:40 GMT
In a little over a year my wife's contract is up and we will have to look at something different. She is the qualified one and can pretty much walk in to a job anywhere she would want to in the English or French speaking world(maybe Spanish too) but that has become our emergency fall back. We chased jobs and opportunity and ended up in Spain, it has been good financially for us but have to make the choice if we continue doing the same thing or change things up.
And we want to change things up, maybe it's a good time to start looking at just where you want to live and what exactly you would love to do. OK, fair you may love your job/old job so can you be your own boss someway?
I don't know, everyone has a retirement dream why not make it so now but with working what you want to do until retirement.
It takes a lot of forethought and the willingness to learn new things but I'm at the age now where I'm fed up of it all and really believe doing what will improve my family's life is a priority.
Make it about yourselves, think globally, think selfishly, be open about it with each other and plan carefully.
*Not financial advice
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Post by mrpon on Nov 17, 2021 22:20:56 GMT
Don't forget to factor in the munchie boxes. And dying early.
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