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Post by X201 on Sept 13, 2024 20:33:12 GMT
The BBC must have found out very late because those adverts with him and Judi Dench have been running between every other programme recently Wasn’t that a Channel 4 show? |
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 14, 2024 10:22:34 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 16, 2024 12:01:28 GMT
That Huw Edwards business is fucking crazy, especially crazy that I'm watching it on lunchtime bbc news.
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 16, 2024 12:26:31 GMT
A six-month suspended sentence.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 16, 2024 12:29:47 GMT
I imagine that's due to no previous offences, that he's on the sex offenders register and well his whole reputation completely destroyed.
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Post by Lukus on Sept 16, 2024 12:48:19 GMT
I call him Ewww Edwards now
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Post by simple on Sept 16, 2024 12:56:05 GMT
Wasn’t part of his defence that he never actually asked for young kids (just looked at and paid for the images once he had them)?
Its not the strongest argument going but it does seem like he basically gave up everything he had so maybe the judge was being lenient on him for that.
Very grim story that anyone would even know how to find a hook up for this stuff, nevermind just being able to order it up on Whatsapp.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 16, 2024 13:04:36 GMT
Wasn’t part of his defence that he never actually asked for young kids (just looked at and paid for the images once he had them)? Its not the strongest argument going but it does seem like he basically gave up everything he had so maybe the judge was being lenient on him for that. Very grim story that anyone would even know how to find a hook up for this stuff, nevermind just being able to order it up on Whatsapp. The reasons for no prison time were listed as his mental health at the time, his expression of remorse, pleading guilty asap, that he isn't a current danger to children and more importantly that his reputation is in tatters. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 16, 2024 15:57:05 GMT
Pleading guilty knocked a third off. Honestly, these guidelines need reviewing. Cat A material should be an immediate go to jail, do not pass go.
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Post by zephro on Sept 16, 2024 16:04:42 GMT
Eh. What's the point of sending him to jail? It doesn't sound like he's an active threat to anyone. Sounds boringly sensible to me.
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Post by mrpon on Sept 16, 2024 16:05:37 GMT
So something else can be in tatters.
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Post by kingbambino on Sept 16, 2024 16:27:58 GMT
Eh. What's the point of sending him to jail? It doesn't sound like he's an active threat to anyone. Sounds boringly sensible to me. So if I were to drink drive and run a few people over I’d get my license taken away . No need for jail time then as I’m no longer a threat ? |
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Post by zephro on Sept 16, 2024 16:29:46 GMT
Eh. What's the point of sending him to jail? It doesn't sound like he's an active threat to anyone. Sounds boringly sensible to me. So if I were to drink drive and run a few people over I’d get my license taken away . No need for jail time then as I’m no longer a threat ? Well it's nothing like that so sure whatever. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 16, 2024 16:30:04 GMT
That was an odd analogy.
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Post by kingbambino on Sept 16, 2024 16:31:16 GMT
Yeah sorry not the best but there has to be at least some deterrent no?
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Post by kingbambino on Sept 16, 2024 16:34:39 GMT
I guess my point is can you just claim bad mental health with other crimes and just say I’ve lost my job because I can’t drive so that’s enough of a punishment for that then
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Post by zephro on Sept 16, 2024 16:37:59 GMT
Yeah sorry not the best but there has to be at least some deterrent no? there does. The fucker who was creating these images should stay in jail until they're not a danger. From what's been reported Edwards said not to send him illegal stuff. Why he didn't cut off contact with the fucker is baffling. But it doesn't seem on the reporting I've seen that he's an actual threat to going out and abusing children. I've not seen all the evidence or followed it closely. Just seems like jail is a waste of money. I'm basically fine with trusting the presiding judge to work out the benefits or not of the sentence. As they've seen all the actual evidence and heard the testimony directly. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 16, 2024 16:46:58 GMT
It's a thorny issue for sure, for me the lack of actual jail time is balanced by, as the judge said, his reputation being in tatters. He doesn't come back from this. Everyone knows who he is, what he's done and it will follow him until he dies. It does way more than the punishment of jail.
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Post by kingbambino on Sept 16, 2024 16:53:30 GMT
It's a thorny issue for sure, for me the lack of actual jail time is balanced by, as the judge said, his reputation being in tatters. He doesn't come back from this. Everyone knows who he is, what he's done and it will follow him until he dies. It does way more than the punishment of jail. Yeah I do see that point but he didn’t want anything illegal AFTER they were sent to him and like stated above carried on the contact . It’s not like there’s not loads of legal porn online ….allegedly . Just seems a bit chinny reckon to me. But yeah his life is ruined now anyway |
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Sept 16, 2024 16:57:07 GMT
Good thread for anyone interested in knowing more, but these bits are most relevant, including a link to the judges sentencing remarks:
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Post by zephro on Sept 16, 2024 16:57:46 GMT
I'm probably channelling a lot of opinions about criminal justice in this country and practical stuff. Our laws are strict they don't seem like they need amending to make them harsher. For nothing else because the prisons are full already. So I'm happy for the justice system to just do its job and not have knee jerk reactions to stuff I only partially know about.
Which is definitely politics and not just shouting angrily about things the General channel is for.
In general though we should have a simpler justice system and not spend fucking loads of parliamentary time creating specific laws for specific bits of news. Some of which are so badly drafted nobody has ever been convicted for them. We should also have more community based sentences. Prison should be for personal reform and public safety. You should also have better more community based policing with discretion involved along the chain.
So the sentence just seems like a practical sensible thing to me. As repugnant and visible as it all is.
Anyways that's the background of the way I think about it so I hope the comments make some sense within that.
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Post by Chopsen on Sept 16, 2024 17:04:38 GMT
Always found jail terms a bit meaningless tbh. Is society any safer if someone does 4 years Vs 2? It's not as if they're profoundly reforming institutions. If you're a bad un going in, you're a bad un coming out. Now with better contacts for some forms of crime.
Unless you're in so long that you're coming out and old man that could be overpowered by a toddler (or, for some things, the rest of your life), what's the point of keeping people locked up? If you're a threat to society at age 23 and you get sent down for 5 years, you going to any less of a threat at 28?
For most people having a criminal record and spending any time at all in jail is a deterrent. For people that doesn't work as a deterrent for, I don't think jail is going to change them and then it's a decision of if that risk can be managed.
Imho.
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Post by kingbambino on Sept 16, 2024 17:07:55 GMT
I'm probably channelling a lot of opinions about criminal justice in this country and practical stuff. Our laws are strict they don't seem like they need amending to make them harsher. For nothing else because the prisons are full already. So I'm happy for the justice system to just do its job and not have knee jerk reactions to stuff I only partially know about. Which is definitely politics and not just shouting angrily about things the General channel is for. In general though we should have a simpler justice system and not spend fucking loads of parliamentary time creating specific laws for specific bits of news. Some of which are so badly drafted nobody has ever been convicted for them. We should also have more community based sentences. Prison should be for personal reform and public safety. You should also have better more community based policing with discretion involved along the chain. So the sentence just seems like a practical sensible thing to me. As repugnant and visible as it all is. Anyways that's the background of the way I think about it so I hope the comments make some sense within that. Yeah that’s fair enough and entitled to that opinion. I just think you can get far harsher sentences for what I would consider lesser crimes . I don’t feel they are lenient on him for who he is as I’m aware other sex offenders have got similar . However I do think rehabilitation needs to be better in most cases in prisons but that’s another subject for another thread |
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Post by rftp on Sept 16, 2024 17:14:16 GMT
Plus, a modern and enlightened society should never be swayed to severe punishments by the braying of mobs.
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 16, 2024 18:02:54 GMT
I’m always uncomfortable with people having an opinion on whether a sentence is suitable or not when all they know of the case is essentially the headline and gossip.
No legal knowledge, not reading the explanation of the decision, not sitting through the case and evidence. None of that means any opinion is almost certainly wrong and definitely not informed.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 16, 2024 18:16:45 GMT
Yes, it’s two different things. Is the sentence appropriate within the sentencing guidelines? Yes. Do the sentencing guidelines need overhauling? Also yes.
He didn’t get special treatment but this kind of moderately wealthy nonce are an absolute plague.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 16, 2024 18:19:22 GMT
And, more broadly, a rethink as part of a wider communications and social media overhaul we very desperately need to drag our legal system into the digital age
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Post by kingbambino on Sept 16, 2024 18:22:35 GMT
No people aren’t experts and don’t know all the details . But let’s not forget here he was sent category A kid porn of children being sexually abused and only at a later date asked for no illegal stuff. He didn’t bother reporting it either so on them facts I can understand certain opinions
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Post by Lukus on Sept 16, 2024 18:24:52 GMT
Virtua Jail Time via Rift.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 16, 2024 18:29:30 GMT
I know whatabouting jail sentences is a cunts trick but you can’t help but wonder where the justice is in someone possessing the most serious category of child abuse material getting a six month suspended sentence while someone who glued themselves to a road is actually doing bird.
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