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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 19, 2024 13:01:14 GMT
The Beekeeper
Look, it's not great or anything. But I was surprisingly entertained. I was in a cinema with people laughing and applauding at relevant plot developments, and we had a grand old time.
So, 7/10. Go watch it with other people and a few drinks, you'll have fun!
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 19, 2024 13:02:08 GMT
Another youtube video titled, Good disturbing movies you shouldn't watch: Geefes first date collection. Chose The Nightingale, mostly because couldn't find Speak no Evil anywhere and the other one was Funny Games again. Had not heard of the film before. Christ the night, off the bat it made Requiem for a Dream seem fun. Basically the British are being horrible cunts in Tasmania in the early 1800s, and some of it hits heavy, and it is a revenge story of an Irish girl who was a sort of slave there. The black natives are treated horribly, some of it is a real difficult watch, but it was a good film. Disturbing/10, also 9/10 I've seen it, its a great movie that's a hard watch. Sam Claflin is really good as the villain in it too
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Post by rawshark on Feb 19, 2024 13:24:10 GMT
Just catching up...
Revenge of the Fallen is just an utterly hateful film on every level. If I were to point to a film being the absolute nadir of humanity then that would be it. I don't think a protagonist has ever been as loathsome as Shia Lebeouf and that extends to his parents too, who the film seems to really think are hilarious. And that really is just scratching the surface of a two-and-a-half hour bath in equal parts excrement and malice.
Armageddon was shit too.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 19, 2024 14:25:09 GMT
Watched Frenzy last night, one of Hitchcock's last films. Didn't know too much about it going in, but thought it was really great. The final beats were a little silly, as well as a very abrupt ending, but there was plenty to like leading up to that. Seems redundant to say a Hitchcock film is well directed, but it really is very well directed, elevating what could feel a bit Sunday night drama too something much more cinematic. Sleazy in places (none more so than the man saying to a barmaid "every cloud has a silver lining", when it is remarked that the victims of the serial killer are raped before being killed) and perhaps would be regarded as a bit too flippant in places about the subject matter, but think it mostly holds up, with some of the discomfort seemingly intentional. Just discovered this trailer, which is amazing. youtu.be/As0nPLCMU7g?si=xti7UYhwZj_h3PdN
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 19, 2024 14:34:41 GMT
Its my favourite Hitchcock movie outside the really big hitters. I think its genuinely right up there with his best even if it does look like an episode of the Sweeney.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 19, 2024 14:34:59 GMT
Frenzy is definitely in my top 5 Hitchcocks. The chief inspector and his wife's evening meals could be a movie all on their own!
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 19, 2024 14:38:06 GMT
Those meal scenes were great. I particularly enjoyed the very 70s jokes about margaritas.
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Post by dmukgr on Feb 19, 2024 14:43:02 GMT
My favourite Hitchcock and I love the colour of it all.
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Post by 😎 on Feb 19, 2024 14:58:49 GMT
I haven’t re-watched it yet because who the fuck cares what I think about some old ass movie, but in a topic actually worth discussing I see the “no no no no Starship Troopers isn’t a satire on fascism and the Federation is heroic and noble” thing has cropped up with a vengeance recently, probably because of Helldivers 2.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 19, 2024 15:23:59 GMT
Really?! Interesting, I guess it's in that same Venn diagram of people who think that Homelander is a good guy.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 19, 2024 15:33:19 GMT
I have always found it so baffling that anyone can watch these sequences and think we are supposed to take Starship Troopers seriously. It isn't exactly subtle! youtu.be/3cktmS-yaxM?si=PqPxR8OFDa7z8WV9
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Post by dfunked on Feb 19, 2024 15:37:18 GMT
Fucking hell, I was 15 when I first saw and even I figured it out back then. It couldn't be any less subtle about it!
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Post by 😎 on Feb 19, 2024 15:47:26 GMT
The initial media reviews when it released were overwhelmingly negative as they also thought it was glorifying Nazi fascism. It was one of the reasons it bombed, but then found a cult following later.
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Post by drakesmoke on Feb 19, 2024 15:51:41 GMT
Absolutely brilliant and well overdue a re-watch I think.
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Post by Saul1138 on Feb 19, 2024 15:55:17 GMT
I will stick with Star Wars and our undying love of Palpatine.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Feb 19, 2024 16:13:15 GMT
The initial media reviews when it released were overwhelmingly negative as they also thought it was glorifying Nazi fascism. It was one of the reasons it bombed, but then found a cult following later. I missed that it was satire when it first came out. Makes me feel dumb.
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Post by rawshark on Feb 19, 2024 16:17:37 GMT
Was it a bomb? I assumed it did pretty well as it felt like me and everyone I knew had been to see it, and spawned sequels even if they were straight to DVD.
Am I imagining it, or was there a kid's spin-off cartoon at some point? I'm guessing all the allusions to them being Nazis had been dropped by that point...
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 19, 2024 16:22:21 GMT
It bombed MASSIVELY. I remember Veerhoeven being extremely pissed off that no one understood that it was a satire and that it was marketed as a straight up action film. A bit like Fight Club with it's terrible marketing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 16:28:09 GMT
It's crazy that people can't pick up that it's satire. It's so glaringly obvious.
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Post by geefe on Feb 19, 2024 16:32:29 GMT
Are we considering Rope a big bitter of Hitchcock? If not, then that's my favourite one that isn't called Vertigo.
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 19, 2024 16:34:34 GMT
It's the people who hate Starship Troopers (film) because it's not an accurate recreation of the book, which it certainly isn't not seeing it's a satire, who annoy me the most.
As much as I've enjoyed reading the book multiple times over the years Robert Heinlein's imperialism and militarism deserved to be satirised by someone who lived under Nazi occupation in the Netherlands. Heinlein's politics are as shite as every female character he ever wrote.
It's a shame that every plan to film "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman has fallen through, it's the antidote to the bollocks that's in Starship Troopers that I usually read straight after an ST read. It's strange how a book by someone who actually saw combat (in Vietnam) has a different opinion to the "glory" of the military.
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Post by Chopsen on Feb 19, 2024 16:38:26 GMT
I really struggled with the book. It was just sci-fi military porn. I know there's an entire sub genre in sci-fi that's all about big battles and stuff but even for that I just found it dull.
I never finished it and life's too short. Wtf you reading it multiple times you spanner?
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 19, 2024 16:51:48 GMT
It's a book I enjoy, so I've re-read it a number of times, there's a lot of really good stuff in it but a lot of crap too. It's also not exactly a long book either.
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Post by rawshark on Feb 19, 2024 16:52:21 GMT
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 19, 2024 17:06:35 GMT
I mean starship troopers came out after the gulf war and all the subsequent turmoil. It’s not hard to connect the dots of starship troopers to the us military campaigns in the 90s and beyond…
I can imagine the right and far right detesting starship troopers satire and message but loving the actual movie so it’s no surprise they will try and rewrite history to aid their own warped vision. Helldivers 2 is basically carrying on the same message and they still don’t get it.
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Post by geefe on Feb 19, 2024 17:23:09 GMT
Next you'll be telling me that Julian Clary is gay
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Post by Duffking on Feb 19, 2024 17:58:00 GMT
The initial media reviews when it released were overwhelmingly negative as they also thought it was glorifying Nazi fascism. It was one of the reasons it bombed, but then found a cult following later. This is a bit of a myth actually, most critics got that it was satire, they just didn't feel it was especially successful. It's hard to find any contemporary reviews which don't acknowledge the satire, especially given that it's a verhoeven movie.
The recent takes relating to this appear to be more along the lines of "I recognised that it was satire but I was still taken in by it a bit so therefore it's bad satire" along with othe garbage takes. People arguing stuff like "it's bad satire because they made all the soldiers in it really good looking" and other dumb shit.
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Post by Lukus on Feb 19, 2024 18:05:41 GMT
I'm not convinced it wasn't successful either. I swear it was on Movies Games and Videos every week for A YEAR.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 19, 2024 18:30:40 GMT
Are we considering Rope a big bitter of Hitchcock? If not, then that's my favourite one that isn't called Vertigo. Second tier I think, alongside the likes of Dial M For Murder, Suspicion, The Birds, and a tonne of others - including Lifeboat and Frenzy, though they'd be in my personal top 5. It's no secret that Rope was experimental, and it sometimes gets in the way of what's otherwise a cracking little play. Top tier has to be that crazy back-to-back run of Vertigo, North By Northwest and Psycho, along with Rebecca, Shadow Of A Doubt, and my personal favourite Rear Window. It's an insane body of work.
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 19, 2024 18:30:48 GMT
I thought it won an Oscar for special effects but just checked and it was only nominated. Apparently when it released it opened in the US as number 1, but then the American media and papers jumped on it and called it a Neo Nazi movie. It then tanked after its first weekend. Still made £120 million in the cinemas on a budget of £100 million, so it’s not the biggest flop by a long shot. Must have made a fortune on home media too as I’ve owned about 5 versions of it.
I still remember going to watch it at the cinema and being astonished at how great it was. It’s easily in my top 5 movies.
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