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Post by dfunked on Feb 14, 2024 10:54:10 GMT
3000 Years Of Longing - A genie tells Tilda Swinton his Tinder bio in a Moroccan hotel room. Guest stars Madge From Neighbours. Genuinely lovely stuff. 8/10 I think is one of those films that passed people by. Lucky people, they get to discover a hidden gem. You get lost in the the storytelling for a couple of hours. Put me in mind of The Fall in some ways I have to say I found Tilda's accent a wee bit distracting... I was having weird video quality issues with Prime video last time I tried it and had to give up. I'll have to give it another shot. The Fall was lovely visually from what I remember.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 14, 2024 11:04:26 GMT
Do any of the streaming services provide the kinds of extra features that DVDs used to?
There was this small window where DVDs suddenly introduced these ideas of Director's Commentaries, Making Of Featurettes, and all manner of weird special features. Then when streaming took over that all seemed to disappear.
I think I'm weird because I'm still quite happy watching a DVD and don't really have any issues with the picture quality. As soon as I get absorbed in the movie I don't really notice any of that stuff.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 14, 2024 11:13:50 GMT
It depends on the film for me. A blockbuster etc, I definitely want the additional fidelity. A story-driven film less so. I don't find dvds that much worse than streaming from Nowtv tbh. I haven't bought any hard copy UHD yet as I find them quite expensive.
I wish I'd taken stock sooner re digital access. I've got purchases spread across Google/YT, Amazon and Apple. I've definitely bought a film.more than once. I think all the BR downloads are in YT but can't quite remember.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 14, 2024 11:15:50 GMT
Do any of the streaming services provide the kinds of extra features that DVDs used to? Apple do*. They call it 'Apple Extras' but it tends to be all the old DVD/Blu Ray stuff. Usually hasn't been touched so it looks like shit but its there. *device dependent
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 14, 2024 11:17:04 GMT
I miss DVD menu easter eggs.
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Post by kal on Feb 14, 2024 11:18:42 GMT
Boringly, its one of the reasons I don't really like spatial audio/atmos music. Ive never been to a gig where the drummer is hung from the ceiling and the keyboard player is whizzing around on a magic carpet. ‘Soundstage’ has always been a big part of the art of recording even back in mono days but this latest trend is less about innovative sound engineering, and more about a gimmick designed to sell new hardware. So yes it can do one.
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 14, 2024 11:25:21 GMT
Reasons I prefer physical versions of films:
Usually better quality sound and image especially when the transfer etc is supervised by the filmmakers. Some of these transfers do go on streamers but it’s often impossible to tell.
Bonus features.
Art.
Won’t disappear(yes I know about rot, nothing lasts for ever). I like to be able to watch the original versions of Star Wars or Matrix or whatever. I also want to see Daryl Hannah’s mermaid butt.
A lot of Blu-ray houses do limited edition print runs, Radiance for example, so there is a collecting aspect.
Nostalgia.
I also love streaming, but I wouldn’t be able to rely on it.
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Post by rhaegyr on Feb 14, 2024 11:36:15 GMT
Do any of the streaming services provide the kinds of extra features that DVDs used to? There was this small window where DVDs suddenly introduced these ideas of Director's Commentaries, Making Of Featurettes, and all manner of weird special features. Then when streaming took over that all seemed to disappear. I think I'm weird because I'm still quite happy watching a DVD and don't really have any issues with the picture quality. As soon as I get absorbed in the movie I don't really notice any of that stuff. I really miss commentaries. The audio commentaries on the early Futurama episodes are absolutely hilarious and nearly as funny as the episodes themselves.
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Post by zisssou on Feb 14, 2024 11:46:15 GMT
Reasons I prefer physical versions of films: Usually better quality sound and image especially when the transfer etc is supervised by the filmmakers. Some of these transfers do go on streamers but it’s often impossible to tell. Bonus features. Art. Won’t disappear(yes I know about rot, nothing lasts for ever). I like to be able to watch the original versions of Star Wars or Matrix or whatever. I also want to see Daryl Hannah’s mermaid butt. A lot of Blu-ray houses do limited edition print runs, Radiance for example, so there is a collecting aspect. Nostalgia. I also love streaming, but I wouldn’t be able to rely on it. Yeah this basically. Plus I'm a collector at heart. I like trawling through places to find records/films/books/games. It's the same people that sneer at me for buying an expensive PS2 game "oh why don't you just download it on your PC" it's not the same. I want it in my collection. I own it. It's fun to flick through the manual. Chuck it on a CRT. Remember good times.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 14, 2024 12:20:13 GMT
Do any of the streaming services provide the kinds of extra features that DVDs used to? Apple do*. They call it 'Apple Extras' but it tends to be all the old DVD/Blu Ray stuff. Usually hasn't been touched so it looks like shit but its there. *device dependent It's kinda nice that it's being preserved somewhere. I guess they aren't bothering to produce it much for new releases.
Do current day Blu Ray releases still bother with spending the cash to produce all the bonus features? I've never bothered with Blue Ray.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 14, 2024 12:32:51 GMT
I mean, it kind of petered out towards the end of the physical era anyway. Re-releases just had the old DVD stuff and new ones had virtually nothing because nobody cared.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 14, 2024 12:38:49 GMT
I think Disney+ has extras, although I expect it is only for their own produced films. Not sure if they have commentary tracks.
To be honest, commentaries and the like are the kind of thing I intend to watch, but then never get around to.
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Post by rhaegyr on Feb 14, 2024 12:39:36 GMT
I think Disney+ has extras, although I expect it is only for their own produced films. Not sure if they have commentary tracks. To be honest, commentaries and the like are the kind of thing I intend to watch, but then never get around to. They don't - not for Simpsons, Futurama and the like anyway.
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Post by rawshark on Feb 14, 2024 12:55:47 GMT
The This Is Spinal Tap commentary basically made it into a whole new film.
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Post by gamingdave on Feb 14, 2024 13:53:33 GMT
Every single vinyl release is effectively a limited edition. Every pressing has its own idiosyncrasies. It’s one of the great pleasures of record collecting, the research and comparing and debating over which version is best etc. That’s the culture. It’s kind of why I sneer a bit over people’s love for “physical media” when they’re actually talking about digital media (DVDs etc). That super special edition box set taking pride of place (and most of the space) on your bookshelf is exactly the same 0s and 1s you’d get from watching it on Netflix. Yes I’m aware it’s compressed and all that, but still, the way that the culture of collecting has moved from analogue to digital with very little change in behaviour makes me laugh. If you are going to compare it to vinyl, and the difference in pressings, then the same applies to digital (be it films on DVD/BR, or music on CD). You still get different masterings before the compression to digital which can make a big difference (in the case of music, people want CD's which haven't been brickwalled, for film it could be not wanting excessive DNR or a better colour grading). Then there are different edits, international vs theatrical, directors cuts etc. On streaming the 0s and 1s are different not just because of compression, but the original source could be completely different. Sure, there may be less variances than with vinyl pressings, but they exist - and that's assuming the primary reason people collect records is to get the "best" version (or multiple versions for different reasons). I know lot's of record collectors who just want to expand a diverse collection of albums (or singles in some cases) that they like, knowing they will always have them to hand. Then add that Netflix has no special features, which people like to have in the same way a gatefold with booklet may be preferred to a more standard edition, and there is another reason to collect.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 14, 2024 13:58:36 GMT
This thread opens up interesting aspects of "trust", starting with Alicia Keys's Superbowl appearance being cleaned up, and scrambling into something we've probably all encountered when revisiting an old favourite digitally:
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Post by simple on Feb 14, 2024 14:08:34 GMT
Didn’t someone like Ubisoft or Activision just get in trouble for saying gamers need to accept that they no longer “own” the games they’ve purchased digitally and everything is basically a service now?
I can still play Alex Kidd In Miracle World on Master System because I own it and the console physically but Sony could memory hole Alex Kidd In Miracle World DX and the version I bought on PS4 is gone forever.
Of course, filling my house and eventually some post-death landfill with more plastic also makes me feel guilty too.
Everything is so shit.
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Post by rawshark on Feb 14, 2024 14:11:10 GMT
I may no longer be able to play PT… but I can still feel it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 14, 2024 14:11:51 GMT
Though even the physical media you own isn't guaranteed to last forever. I have a few gameboy carts that either no-longer work or are very flakey. And CDs/DVDs aren't gonna be eternal.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Feb 14, 2024 14:17:04 GMT
For a couple of years my Sunday routinue involved going to Safeways for cider and a DVD. I only bought a film if it had a commentary as it effectively doubled the content for me.
Some were great, but there was a lot of chaff between every Dog Soldiers laugh riot or Scorsese deep dive. I quickly learned to avoid Ben Stiller’s scripted unfunny ‘impromptu’ crap, for example.
Also John McTiernan sounds sooo boring for a man who directed the films he did.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 14, 2024 14:24:09 GMT
Despite always trying to get the best edition of DVDs back then, which usually meant the ones with the best bonus features, I don't think I watched them very much.
I was trying to find an Aliens DVD recently and the only ones I could find were all 'complete editions' with 2 discs, one with the special edition of the movie (boo!) and ones with about 6 hours of bonus content. Which I'm sure has some interesting stuff in there, but I'm never gonna watch it all. It'd be good if it's all getting preserved somewhere though.
(Side note: it's really bloody hard to find a DVD with the Theatrical Cut of Aliens over here!)
The only commentaries I remember listening to were the LotR extended editions, where I watched all the movies and then immediately rewatched them all with the commentaries. Didn't get much sleep that week.
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Post by kal on Feb 14, 2024 14:25:58 GMT
For a couple of years my Sunday routinue involved going to Safeways for cider and a DVD. I only bought a film if it had a commentary as it effectively doubled the content for me. Some were great, but there was a lot of chaff between every Dog Soldiers laugh riot or Scorsese deep dive. I quickly learned to avoid Ben Stiller’s scripted unfunny ‘impromptu’ crap, for example. Also John McTiernan sounds sooo boring for a man who directed the films he did. Didn’t he got to jail for some crazy shit or am I thinking of someone else?
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Post by Lukus on Feb 14, 2024 14:26:04 GMT
This thread opens up interesting aspects of "trust", starting with Alicia Keys's Superbowl appearance being cleaned up, and scrambling into something we've probably all encountered when revisiting an old favourite digitally: I'm pretty sure some albums bought on iTunes ended up being censored a year or two after. Feels wrong, regardless of the moral argument for it. It's like painting out the cocks and tits on old renaissance artwork.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 14, 2024 14:29:49 GMT
I think Disney+ has extras, although I expect it is only for their own produced films. Not sure if they have commentary tracks. To be honest, commentaries and the like are the kind of thing I intend to watch, but then never get around to. They don't - not for Simpsons, Futurama and the like anyway. I would think you would be out of luck on pretty much all TV shows. Just checked Endgame though and there are a load of deleted scenes, a few mini-doc things, a commentary track and the IMAX version. I'm assuming there are all the extras that come with the physical release. Same with the first Avengers film (although, no commentary for that one, which I recall was also missing on the UK physical release as well, for some reason).
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Feb 14, 2024 14:34:18 GMT
Just looked it up - McTiernan went to prison in 2013. News to me, he was probably let out early after they listened to him make Red October sound boring for an hour.
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Post by simple on Feb 14, 2024 14:44:03 GMT
Despite always trying to get the best edition of DVDs back then, which usually meant the ones with the best bonus features, I don't think I watched them very much. I was trying to find an Aliens DVD recently and the only ones I could find were all 'complete editions' with 2 discs, one with the special edition of the movie (boo!) and ones with about 6 hours of bonus content. Which I'm sure has some interesting stuff in there, but I'm never gonna watch it all. It'd be good if it's all getting preserved somewhere though. (Side note: it's really bloody hard to find a DVD with the Theatrical Cut of Aliens over here!) The only commentaries I remember listening to were the LotR extended editions, where I watched all the movies and then immediately rewatched them all with the commentaries. Didn't get much sleep that week. We don’t use the A-word
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 14, 2024 14:56:47 GMT
Madame Web on a cinema screen
The latest of Sony Pictures' MCU adjacent movie franchise and is this the one that breaks the streak of them being a shadow of the MCU?
No of course it's not. If you think you're going to see the origins of the three Spider-Women characters in the trailers then this is not that movie. It is the origin story of Madame Web and it's perfectly fine, very much like something from the time it's mostly set in (2003) than what you'd normally expect from a superhero film of today.
It's better than Morbius, probably on par with the first Venom and it's perfectly watchable but forgettable. It feels very much like the prologue to a different film that may happen at some point and rather depends on the box office.
So rush to the cinema to see it? Nah not really but the negative reactions to it from some quarters is really over the top.
One disturbing thing about the film is realising Toxic, which has a big role in one scene, is over 20 years old, where did the time go?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 14, 2024 15:03:58 GMT
Didn’t someone like Ubisoft or Activision just get in trouble for saying gamers need to accept that they no longer “own” the games they’ve purchased digitally and everything is basically a service now? I think it was some Ubisoft drone when they were pushing their service. And, tbh, I have, more or less. Same with movies and music, I buy anything I care deeply about but 99% of the time I am happy to just play whatever is dished up to me on a subscription service. The proliferation of content is such that there is always something new to keep my lizard brain entertained so I don't really give a shit if I can't find some random 2007 roguelite.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 14, 2024 15:40:09 GMT
This whole convo made me check what I've bought across the 3 big platforms. (a lot more than I remembered, funnily enough...). Discovered that Amazon have decided I no longer own Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (no idea why I bought it either).
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 15, 2024 5:41:15 GMT
So, I kinda fancy watching the new Scream movies, but I'm wondering if I need to watch Scream 4 first?
Scream (1996) 111 min Scream 2 (1997) 120 min Scream 3 (2000) 117 min Scream 4 (2011) 111 min Scream (2022) 114 min Scream VI (2023) 122 min
I've watched 1 and 2 a bunch of times, and I remember them pretty well, #1 especially. I've definitely seen 3, but I don't really remember much about it. I honestly can't remember if I've seen 4.
Scream 5 being called only 'Scream' implies its a kind of reboot, but I know some of the original cast are in it. IIRC a lot of the surprises and twists come from character's history or people turning out to be not who you thought. Which won't really work if I don't remember who they are.
Anyway, can I jump straight in at Scream (5), or should I restart from 4 (or 3)?
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