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Post by dominalien on Sept 8, 2021 7:12:49 GMT
I've had a will since forever. I have some relatives, some of whom I wouldn't mind leaving my stuff to, but other I definitely would. On the other hand, I have a couple of very good friends I would definitely see saddled with all my worldly possessions, hence the will.
I actually have thought of a good reason for getting married: avoiding inheritance tax. It's some 20% for strangers (meaning: not close of kin) here in PL and since I'm quite sure my tax money is not being well spent, I'd hate a friend to have to add to that pile.
Which means I'll be getting married on my deathbed. I just hope by that time I'll have a new 20-yo hot girl as my best friend instead of the ones I have now who'll be as old as I am by then.
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Post by mrpon on Sept 8, 2021 7:30:01 GMT
I mean a lot of shit mentioned here can be mitigated with a pre-nup, I had worries and mentioned it. Went down like a lead balloon, her dad didn't believe in them. Hilarious. And here we are 11 years later divorced.
Listen to your gut people.
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Post by dfunked on Sept 8, 2021 7:34:30 GMT
Buying a house together was a much bigger deal (which we did first, I don’t understand my friends who pay for a wedding before buying a house). This always struck me as weird. You've literally pissed away your deposit on a big party that people will have forgotten about in a week. I come from a broken marriage + parents moving countries to properly get apart from each other (although later on they got back together), so have never really seen the "it's for the kids" side of the argument. I bought a house with my OH, which surely is a huge commitment that I don't need a piece of paper and a ring to prove further...
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Post by elstoof on Sept 8, 2021 7:36:01 GMT
Prenups aren’t completely legally binding in the U.K. though they can potentially help your lawyer out a bit.
If you own a home together or have loads of cash then it’s worth getting married to avoid inheritance tax, spousal transfer is non taxable. Especially if you have kids. Getting married could be the difference between staying in the family home, or having to sell the house to pay the tax bill shortly after one of the parents dies
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Post by marcp on Sept 8, 2021 7:37:38 GMT
My Wedding is in three weeks. It is, by any stretch of the imagination both a bit basic and very, very quickly thrown together. During my partner's previous marriage (with him 18 married 10), her Dad developed, and beat, esophageal cancer. New Year just gone, he got the news they'd been kind of expecting - the cancer was back and this time, because of where it is and the amount of him they had to remove last time, the treatment they've been able to give him has been limited and it's now a case of how long. He called her down to visit him on Father's Day this year, and had a conversation along the lines of 'I know you're already talking about marriage, I don't know how long I've got, you've been a completely different person these last 18 months, your ex was a prick and I want to see you happily married, make an old man happy and do it this year'.
So here we are.
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Post by Lizard on Sept 8, 2021 7:52:50 GMT
You get to force your friends and family to sit through an interminable 'party' and often make them pay for the privilege of doing so.
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Post by technoish on Sept 8, 2021 7:57:00 GMT
Buying a house together was a much bigger deal (which we did first, I don’t understand my friends who pay for a wedding before buying a house). This always struck me as weird. You've literally pissed away your deposit on a big party that people will have forgotten about in a week. I come from a broken marriage + parents moving countries to properly get apart from each other (although later on they got back together), so have never really seen the "it's for the kids" side of the argument. I bought a house with my OH, which surely is a huge commitment that I don't need a piece of paper and a ring to prove further... A wedding ceremony is standing in front of family and friends and making a commitment (and God if religiously inclined). Key is not to make it a shit wedding that people forget. I think I can recall the good times from the ones I went to. We needed a deposit more than ten times what we spent on our wedding for the house we bought after 5 years of marriage. And also, were more than happy to rent before then.
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Post by dogbot on Sept 8, 2021 8:30:19 GMT
You get to force your friends and family to sit through an interminable 'party' and often make them pay for the privilege of doing so. We actually had a really good party. We had a fish and chip van and my brother in law's Notting Hill Sound Set played great music. Our friends and families all get along really well, everyone danced loads and had a ball. It was genuinely good fun. Honestly, I don't really see any downside to having got married. We both get a small tax break, I get to wear a wedding ring and hopefully, there's going to be people there to look after me as I slowly decline into the inevitable madness of old age. In the event of the worst happening (a divorce, I mean), she has almost exactly the same rights as she would have had under common law anyway. Plus, she's been my best friend for 20 odd years. Even when we were apart (working away etc), we were always there. It just made sense. I would have been ok with either way, honestly, but it made her and our families really happy and it was definitely worth it for that. We already had a house, so we didn't spend any money we needed for a deposit. In fact, it was pretty much done on the cheap, which makes it all the more pleasing that it was good.
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Post by dominalien on Sept 8, 2021 8:49:48 GMT
Nice to see a positive story for a change.
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Post by robthehermit on Sept 8, 2021 8:53:43 GMT
ladies see the ring, they know immediately you must have some cash or your cock must work. Well they'd be wrong on both counts.
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Post by dominalien on Sept 8, 2021 8:58:00 GMT
ladies see the ring, they know immediately you must have some cash or your cock must work. Well they'd be wrong on both counts. A girl I once knew told me whenever she looked at mens' profiles on a dating site she'd immediately dismiss ones who hadn't been married before because there would definitely be something wrong with them.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 8, 2021 9:01:44 GMT
It's alright, they don't think that. Pretty fucking weird to separate people into "people" and "ladies" to be honest
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 9:04:07 GMT
Marriage just felt the right thing to do for us. It was a humanist wedding so it wasn't for any religious reasons. It was just a way I suppose of cementing our commitment to each other. She's quite happy to have my surname, and our wee boy has the same surname obvs so it kind of makes us feel like a nice family unit as well. It sure as shit wasn't for any financial reasons as we're both skint and shite with money.
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Post by Zuluhero on Sept 8, 2021 10:10:04 GMT
You'd have never forgot my wedding, I got so drunk I ended up in hospital having my stomach pumped. God, I'm such a douche.
You'd think a marriage starting like that wouldn't last, and you'd be right, we got divorced in 2011.
Weirdly we got back together a couple of years later, thanks to amicable shared access to our child, and to be honest it's been good, even if we struggle to 'label' our relationship.
It's also a bit weird when we do anniversaries.
Weird flex, I'll admit. It's also the Disney story you never knew you wanted.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 8, 2021 10:43:52 GMT
Did you remarry, or was that tempting fate a bit?
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Post by Lizard on Sept 8, 2021 10:54:26 GMT
You get to force your friends and family to sit through an interminable 'party' and often make them pay for the privilege of doing so. We actually had a really good party. We had a fish and chip van and my brother in law's Notting Hill Sound Set played great music. Our friends and families all get along really well, everyone danced loads and had a ball. It was genuinely good fun. Honestly, I don't really see any downside to having got married. We both get a small tax break, I get to wear a wedding ring and hopefully, there's going to be people there to look after me as I slowly decline into the inevitable madness of old age. In the event of the worst happening (a divorce, I mean), she has almost exactly the same rights as she would have had under common law anyway. Plus, she's been my best friend for 20 odd years. Even when we were apart (working away etc), we were always there. It just made sense. I would have been ok with either way, honestly, but it made her and our families really happy and it was definitely worth it for that. We already had a house, so we didn't spend any money we needed for a deposit. In fact, it was pretty much done on the cheap, which makes it all the more pleasing that it was good. Yeah, I was trolling a bit. I just went to a series of very long and boring weddings in my twenties.
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Post by dfunked on Sept 8, 2021 11:03:57 GMT
Yeah, weddings aren't all bad and are usually memorable enough. Just bloody expensive when the money could be better spent elsewhere usually.
You can tell I'm a romantic at heart...
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Post by hedben on Sept 8, 2021 11:05:46 GMT
Her dad was a baptist minister when we got married (no, he didn't do the service). I would have been quite happy to "live in sin" but there's no way her family would have stood for it. To be fair he paid for the whole reception, which would have eaten up our first home deposit if we'd had to foot the bill. And yes, the legal and financial benefits for me far outweigh the spiritual, or the day itself.
I don't feel like I need a will for any reason except that I'm worried about who would care for my kids if me and Mrs. hedben both died at the same time. There are members of her family who I definitely wouldn't want to be involved... but we've never really addressed it and we'd probably disagree on what to put in a will about that anyway.
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Post by Zuluhero on Sept 8, 2021 11:37:51 GMT
Did you remarry, or was that tempting fate a bit? Nope, I think as we got older it became a lesser thing, it seemed like the thing you did as part of a 'life trajectory' thing, now just focusing on the relationship and day-to-day. Admittedly that's now turned into years. There are some good points about the stuff about pensions or inheritance in here though, still being relatively young (42), and live very much on the moment, I don't really think about stuff like that. I will say the tax relief stuff isn't really worth the hassle of doing tax returns though. Not for me anyway.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Sept 8, 2021 11:47:04 GMT
Well it wasn't a reason but as a non EU citizen I now have nearly the same rights as an EU national. I can live and work here visa free and have access to French nationality should I choose to. Likewise she would have access to Australia which is notoriously difficult to move to and the kids will get the benefits of being dual nationals, whatever those benefits may be.
So there is that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 8:43:58 GMT
Because love has a remarkable, transformative power and when you find it, it's something to which you should commit your whole heart.
I say this as someone going through what looks like an increasingly acrimonious separation / divorce.
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Post by JYM60 on Sept 9, 2021 8:56:49 GMT
Love going to a wedding. They're usually memorable, though that's because of the carnage that ensues during the evening drinking. Couldn't tell you a thing about the ceremony rubbish other than that they said I do.
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Post by Francio on Sept 9, 2021 8:57:54 GMT
They say marriage is the grave for love, but I think that the capability to take care of a person and of a relationship between you and that person in the long period is good. Finding a balance in life and knowing that love at day 1 is different from love after 1 year, and from love after 10 years and so on, in terms of how love is manifested, is important. Of course you don't need to be married in order to do this, it depends from person to person, but personally I like some traditions, and this one is one of those.
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Post by Psiloc on Sept 9, 2021 9:10:49 GMT
In the event of the worst happening (a divorce, I mean), she has almost exactly the same rights as she would have had under common law anyway. For the record there's no such thing as a "common law marriage". Being in a long term relationship, cohabiting, and even having kids together confers no additional rights whatsoever.
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Post by dogbot on Sept 9, 2021 9:31:31 GMT
In the event of the worst happening (a divorce, I mean), she has almost exactly the same rights as she would have had under common law anyway. For the record there's no such thing as a "common law marriage". Being in a long term relationship, cohabiting, and even having kids together confers no additional rights whatsoever. She moved into a house I'd bought, so for her security before we (decided to get) married, we agreed to sign a right to residence. I couldn't have sold that house out from under her any more than I could now in the house we own together, married, with both our names on the deeds. E2A: not that I've ever wanted to, but nevertheless.
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Post by pierrepressure on Sept 9, 2021 10:34:49 GMT
I've been with my partner for 17 years and we've never really discussed getting married. We got engaged after about 6 years together as it felt like the thing to do but we are both of the opinion that getting married and spending an insane amount of money on the wedding is not how we'd do it.
I did mention marriage last night after reading the thread and she looked at me as if I was mental, totally felt the love then.
I think if we do the marriage thing it'll end up being something proper cheesy like a chapel in Vegas or Disney World so the kids can get a holiday out of it.
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Post by retro74 on Sept 9, 2021 13:20:31 GMT
pierrepressure it’s good to hear that neither of you have succumbed to peer pressure
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Post by deebs on Sept 10, 2021 4:53:59 GMT
In my case, it was the only way I could get to be with her - same reason as Paz. I'd rather not have had to get married, but life is pretty good, much better than I'd envisaged. Speaking from experience, there's a stability and understanding that you don't really get in a common-law relationship. Maybe that's partly due to the fact you both know how much of a fucking ballache it would be to split, but there's something to be said for sitting down and working out those relationship annoyances like adults. It's also a good platform to raise a family on as well.
Just mind you find the right girl, there are some right pieces of shit out there and your dickhole can be far more persuasive than your brainhole.
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Post by rawshark on Sept 10, 2021 11:04:28 GMT
Nowadays it’s because the majority of women, at least once in their life, want to have the experience of being proposed to and going through the painful admin of arranging their big day. Then there’s a big party, everyone loses money, and all so she could just have undivided attention for a while.
It’s some bullshit, let me tell you.
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Post by simple on Sept 10, 2021 11:25:20 GMT
We had a pretty tiny wedding (family only) mainly because neither of us wanted the fuss of a Wedding wedding.
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