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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 4, 2024 15:01:36 GMT
I don't suppose any journalists have questioned Sunak/Braverman/etc.. about how they feel about the results of their rhetoric coming home to roost? I'd ask if a question time audience had done so, but I assume that'd just be farage etc.. anyway. No hint of self awareness in the Express or Mail as they decry the very thing they've been provoking, with the Mail blaming Labour, and the Express not noticing the similarity between their masthead and the thugs. I don't know what it would achieve in giving that lot the oxygen of attention. Seriously what would it achieve in giving people who demonstrably have no recorded evidence of empathy a soapbox where they would just continue to pass the buck to someone else and lie and obfuscate and just say they're asking legitimate questions?
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 4, 2024 15:04:43 GMT
Weird seeing Dan Hodges tweet sense but he's been doing that on the rioting, this Lord is certainly not.
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Post by jono62 on Aug 4, 2024 15:10:07 GMT
Weird seeing Dan Hodges tweet sense but he's been doing that on the rioting, this Lord is certainly not. Lord have mercy. If he's ok writing that, then that is clearly the Tories position.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Aug 4, 2024 15:18:16 GMT
A few of the banners from Rotherham had reference to St George "trust in St George" for example. St George we obviously have to remember encapsulates all that is to be English, being a Roman military officer born in Greece. He's also the patron saint of people with syphillis.
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Post by simple on Aug 4, 2024 15:23:52 GMT
That would explain a few things
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Post by Mark1412 on Aug 4, 2024 15:36:07 GMT
With the £700 million or whatever we paid Rwanda to ship off four people, surely they could take a few plane's worth of these cunts as a token gesture. Fuck them off or serve up some of the police brutality that seems to be reserved for women and handcuffed minorities.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 4, 2024 15:41:23 GMT
With the £700 million or whatever we paid Rwanda to ship off four people, surely they could take a few plane's worth of these cunts as a token gesture. Fuck them off or serve up some of the police brutality that seems to be reserved for women and handcuffed minorities. We really should deport them because they have failed to integrate into society and don't share our values.
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Post by Dougs on Aug 4, 2024 15:47:00 GMT
This is the thing that is annoying the fuck out of me re the winter fuel payment cut. The amount of money spent on Rwanda, covid stitch ups and covid fraud - that's what's made it necessary. I know the govt have kinda made the link but not explicitly imo.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Aug 4, 2024 15:58:03 GMT
It’s going to take a decade or more to unpick and try and rebuild Britain isn’t it? And it’s going to be a really hard to do so with the backdrop of social media too.
Tories and Farage have broken everything.
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Post by Ulythium on Aug 4, 2024 16:05:28 GMT
It’s going to take a decade or more to unpick and try and rebuild Britain isn’t it? And it’s going to be a really hard to do so with the backdrop of social media too. Tories and Farage have broken everything.
And that's if Labour get another term after this one, without the bloody Tories coming back in to undo all their hard work.
Should be a given, really, but watching the crayon-munching rioters over the past few days - and realising that most of 'em will be eligible to vote - makes me wonder.
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Post by peekconfusion on Aug 4, 2024 16:06:31 GMT
This is the thing that is annoying the fuck out of me re the winter fuel payment cut. The amount of money spent on Rwanda, covid stitch ups and covid fraud - that's what's made it necessary. I know the govt have kinda made the link but not explicitly imo. And the people who really belong in handcuffs because of it get to make a mint swanning around giving after-dinner talks.
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Post by simple on Aug 4, 2024 16:13:21 GMT
This is the thing that is annoying the fuck out of me re the winter fuel payment cut. The amount of money spent on Rwanda, covid stitch ups and covid fraud - that's what's made it necessary. I know the govt have kinda made the link but not explicitly imo. And the people who really belong in handcuffs because of it get to make a mint swanning around giving after-dinner talks. Then blaming Starmer and Reeves when the country implodes
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Post by richardiox on Aug 4, 2024 16:21:44 GMT
I know as it's happening now these riots are particularly grim and gloomy but I do feel the need to state that for the last 20 years+ I've seen various BNP/EDL/NF rallies and kick offs in a variety of city centers around the country. It's been a constant.
And despite the visuals this is all very localised and fortunately limited to a small bit highly visible pocket of football violence type thugs, organised over social media. The country isn't falling apart in real time. I'll still be at work tomorrow, in multicultural Britain with everyone still getting along. Just like last week, last month, last year, last decade
Do think it's interesting timing so soon after Labour got in and wouldn't be at all surprised to learn there's some big "P" political 'dark money' type shenanigans/bot networks fuelling some of this. And as stated above, Putin will be loving this. The destablising effect isn't what's happening (small and localised) it's the narrative "OMG the streets of the UK aren't safe anymore, there's a race-war".
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 4, 2024 16:23:29 GMT
The Secret Barrister with a wake up call for some.
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Post by anthonyuk on Aug 4, 2024 16:28:54 GMT
Would it be this bad without the echo chamber of right wing, racist, toxic talking heads on social media being allowed to say whatever lies they know will get the most attention.
The social media sites have a hell of alot or answer for IMO. They have AI software that can detect any kind of copyrighted content, but allow Tommy Robinson and countless others to spout racism unchecked?
If tiktok was a Chinese plot to create division unchecked in the west, they shouldn't have bothered, western social media and politicians are more than content to do it themselves.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 4, 2024 16:34:32 GMT
doesn't help when the biggest social media site is owned by somebody who is essentially a Russian asset.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Aug 4, 2024 16:39:36 GMT
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Post by apollo on Aug 4, 2024 17:38:59 GMT
The Secret Barrister with a wake up call for some. is farage going to get a knock at the door and handcuffed? if he want to some blacksite and never heard from again then the world would be a slightly nicer place
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Post by peekconfusion on Aug 4, 2024 17:51:53 GMT
I can't get over the juxtaposition of whole-hearted and genuine support of Team GB at the Olympics, cheering on people I'd literally never heard of before a week ago and then flicking over to watch people who also apparently love this country....torch a library....
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Post by simple on Aug 4, 2024 18:08:56 GMT
Its a shame that Parliament isn’t sitting because we’d get to see the nation watch the cowards in Reform and certain Tories Streisand Effecting themselves by failing to turn up and face accountability.
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Post by simple on Aug 4, 2024 18:15:13 GMT
I don’t think headlines like this help
Its on the Guardian website right now. Its not an “asylum seeker hotel” though, is it?
Its a Holiday Inn that some cash strapped council is paying to house people in because they don’t have enough housing stock of their own to accommodate anyone thanks to years of budget squeezes and no replacements being built when people exercise the right to buy.
The phrase “asylum seeker hotel” is just inadvertently playing into the false narrative that refugees have absolutely cushy lives all on the taxpayers’ tab.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Aug 4, 2024 18:18:13 GMT
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Post by simple on Aug 4, 2024 18:32:34 GMT
There was such a vibe of a grown up being in charge during his statement earlier. As much as the usual suspects on the left are accusing him of being a fash apologist for not calling the riots acts of terrorism, we do have a PM who actually understands what the job of catching these villains will entail. Hopefully the authorities are able to follow through.
I know there have been more far-right rallies planned for next weekend but I think we’ll see it fizzle out relatively quickly as the ringleaders are picked up.
I also think/hope now that they know events are planned the Police might do some of the pre-arrests they often use on climate protests so that key figures aren’t on the streets on the day of the event. I think without certain key agitators on the ground it’ll be harder to get the mob mobilised - especially if people see the size of the Police response and how outnumbered they’ll be by counter protests.
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Post by zephro on Aug 4, 2024 18:36:59 GMT
I know as it's happening now these riots are particularly grim and gloomy but I do feel the need to state that for the last 20 years+ I've seen various BNP/EDL/NF rallies and kick offs in a variety of city centers around the country. It's been a constant. And despite the visuals this is all very localised and fortunately limited to a small bit highly visible pocket of football violence type thugs, organised over social media. The country isn't falling apart in real time. I'll still be at work tomorrow, in multicultural Britain with everyone still getting along. Just like last week, last month, last year, last decade Do think it's interesting timing so soon after Labour got in and wouldn't be at all surprised to learn there's some big "P" political 'dark money' type shenanigans/bot networks fuelling some of this. And as stated above, Putin will be loving this. The destablising effect isn't what's happening (small and localised) it's the narrative "OMG the streets of the UK aren't safe anymore, there's a race-war". I do think a lot of this is true. It may be my overwhelming cynicism or the fact that the EDL are usually doing something drunken and disorderly in Whitehall quite a lot of the weekends; but the Met tend to see them coming and it doesn't really affect anyone. But yeah lots of these things have been going on in the background for a while. It's just not been this consistent or coordinated before, or in small towns where the police don't entirely seem prepared for it. Like Stoke, Nottingham and Aldershot are fucking weird choices and none of them have gone near the West Midlands... These twats will all end up in prison (if we build a new one), everyone will go on with their lives. The 2011 riots everyone said were going to be a turning point and absolutely nothing fucking happened. What I would like: - Farage & Anderson investigated independently for bringing Parliament into disrepute and recall elections being triggered. With all the non-cunt parties agreeing to stand a single "not a racist cunt" candidate. - Standing up to the likes of Elon Musk. Ban these cunts from Twitter or we switch off Twitter in the UK and you lose your advertising money, go fuck yourself. Genuinely if one government bothered standing up to these cuts and regulating them other would follow. Why can't we go first? - Tories actually get the blame for this as it's their fucking fault for stoking this all up, but also turning a blind eye when they thought there were votes in it.
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Post by zephro on Aug 4, 2024 18:40:18 GMT
There was such a vibe of a grown up being in charge during his statement earlier. As much as the usual suspects on the left are accusing him of being a fash apologist for not calling the riots acts of terrorism, we do have a PM who actually understands what the job of catching these villains will entail. Hopefully the authorities are able to follow through. I know there have been more far-right rallies planned for next weekend but I think we’ll see it fizzle out relatively quickly as the ringleaders are picked up. I also think/hope now that they know events are planned the Police might do some of the pre-arrests they often use on climate protests so that key figures aren’t on the streets on the day of the event. I think without certain key agitators on the ground it’ll be harder to get the mob mobilised - especially if people see the size of the Police response and how outnumbered they’ll be by counter protests. Yeah the people having a crack at Starmer just seem like fucking self important knobs. I kinda feel the same about the counter protestors, I mean they're just doing legitimate protest and that's fine. But it does seem like self important grand standing to go make the police's job harder and to achieve basically nothing. Well they probably feel very puffed up and that they achieved something but I don't think they actually did.
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 4, 2024 18:50:12 GMT
I don’t think headlines like this help Its on the Guardian website right now. Its not an “asylum seeker hotel” though, is it? Its a Holiday Inn that some cash strapped council is paying to house people in because they don’t have enough housing stock of their own to accommodate anyone thanks to years of budget squeezes and no replacements being built when people exercise the right to buy. The phrase “asylum seeker hotel” is just inadvertently playing into the false narrative that refugees have absolutely cushy lives all on the taxpayers’ tab. I could be wrong, but aren't all these hotels actually not been hotels for a long time? Perhaps some have been operating as actual hotels recently, but my understanding is that they are pretty much all places that have been shut down and councils have just picked them up as they are purpose build locations for containing people. If media wants to be calling them hotels, they should really be referring to them as "former hotels".
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Post by simple on Aug 4, 2024 18:54:20 GMT
The one besieged and torched in Rotherham is a Holiday Inn Express
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 4, 2024 18:54:37 GMT
Guess you should take clothes that fit (or steal some) when you're doing a riot.
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Post by motti82 on Aug 4, 2024 19:06:25 GMT
That drama The Undeclared War on channel 4 from 2022 seems to be eerily on point at the moment. It was set in 2024 with a general election happening and Russia uses twitter and other social media to stir up division and riots all around the UK. I remember thinking the riots part seemed like a stretch at the time. Yeah, it was very well done, and the misinformation/AI part of it has certainly rang true in recent times.
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Post by zephro on Aug 4, 2024 19:12:53 GMT
I don’t think headlines like this help Its on the Guardian website right now. Its not an “asylum seeker hotel” though, is it? Its a Holiday Inn that some cash strapped council is paying to house people in because they don’t have enough housing stock of their own to accommodate anyone thanks to years of budget squeezes and no replacements being built when people exercise the right to buy. The phrase “asylum seeker hotel” is just inadvertently playing into the false narrative that refugees have absolutely cushy lives all on the taxpayers’ tab. I could be wrong, but aren't all these hotels actually not been hotels for a long time? Perhaps some have been operating as actual hotels recently, but my understanding is that they are pretty much all places that have been shut down and councils have just picked them up as they are purpose build locations for containing people. If media wants to be calling them hotels, they should really be referring to them as "former hotels". It depends but I believe that they are also just hotels that some part of the Government is paying rates at. This is part of the reason the Reeves Super Massive Budget Blackhole included the asylum budget being 10s of billions over budget as they're paying actual hotel rates.
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