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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Dec 11, 2022 9:56:20 GMT
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Post by RobEG on Dec 11, 2022 10:11:13 GMT
What a guy. He’ll be fine. Hopefully he can exercise some demons on Boxing Day  |
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Post by retro74 on Dec 11, 2022 10:20:31 GMT
As I said on the other page, that’s what it always comes down to with England - small details and a lack of execution when they need it most. Technique / ability will be tested most when the pressure is at its highest and more often than not, that’s why England go out. Southgate has negated some of that by raising their confidence to a level where they are free to play without (as much) pressure and their technique does hold up for the most part
It happens to the best though. Gerrard was one of the best in the world but his technique let him down when the pressure was at its highest, he miss controlled the pass, slipped over and the rest is history
All the blame will be wrongly directed to Kane, Pickford and Southgate but the issue is much deeper than whoever made the mistake on the day
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Post by clemfandango on Dec 11, 2022 10:37:55 GMT
Predictably, Saka and Rashford are getting racial abuse again. This country is the pits. Where? |
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Post by myk on Dec 11, 2022 10:39:30 GMT
I can't think of an obvious candidate to replace Southgate - certainly not that's English and would leave their club at the moment. Eddie Howe is next in line, but I think needs to get European experience with Newcastle.
This is also a World Cup where I think everyone played their best, just wasn't enough on the day. Really positive signs to take from it, Foden, Bellingham, Rice and Saka is a great base to build from.
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Post by retro74 on Dec 11, 2022 10:44:05 GMT
Potter and then Howe should be the next two up. We should start preparing them now but I’d give Southgate at least one more tournament
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 10:49:10 GMT
If Southgate does go and the rumours about Tuchel and Poch being interested are true, we should be all over one of them.
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Post by Dougs on Dec 11, 2022 10:56:10 GMT
Predictably, Saka and Rashford are getting racial abuse again. This country is the pits. Where? Insta by the looks of the screen grabs. They could be old ones though. |
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Post by Ulythium on Dec 11, 2022 11:03:26 GMT
What a guy. He’ll be fine. Hopefully he can exercise some demons on Boxing Day
By taking them down the gym? 
Speaking as a snobby rugby fan who knows nothing whatsoever about football, I can't for the life of me see why some people want Southgate to go. He seems like a thoroughly-decent guy who's done a great job so far, and has a squad full of young players who should only improve with time - why do *some* football fans react with "Sack the manager!" every time England get knocked out of a major tournament?
If there's an obvious candidate to replace him, fair enough; if it's just the same old sacrificial lamb bollocks to appease the bloodlust of disappointed armchair pundits, keep him in place.
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Post by retro74 on Dec 11, 2022 11:07:56 GMT
I think you’re right UlythiumJudging by the England fans interviewed on TV throughout this World Cup it’s clear that despite following the team, they know next to nothing about football. Even last night one was interviewed outside the ground and said we were outplayed and weren’t aggressive enough You don’t win football matches with “Pashun!” |
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Post by RobEG on Dec 11, 2022 11:13:49 GMT
UlythiumHaha, you got to wear those demons out. Best way to deal with them
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Post by kal on Dec 11, 2022 11:25:58 GMT
Steve Cooper would be an interesting contender after the Euros, and would continue the model established with Southgate. I think I would prefer that to going with Poch or Tuchel, as appealing as the idea is, or even Howe or Potter. The real success with this England side is continuity and Cooper would bring that. Plus he already won the World Cup showing he gets how to win tournaments. With some of the players in the main set up now.
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Post by Youthist on Dec 11, 2022 11:44:53 GMT
As I said on the other page, that’s what it always comes down to with England - small details and a lack of execution when they need it most. Technique / ability will be tested most when the pressure is at its highest and more often than not, that’s why England go out. Southgate has negated some of that by raising their confidence to a level where they are free to play without (as much) pressure and their technique does hold up for the most part It happens to the best though. Gerrard was one of the best in the world but his technique let him down when the pressure was at its highest, he miss controlled the pass, slipped over and the rest is history All the blame will be wrongly directed to Kane, Pickford and Southgate but the issue is much deeper than whoever made the mistake on the day There is no “deep issue” here. We lost the game by the finest of margins. It was also overall in terms of the performances across all the games the best we have played at any major tournament in my living memory. Shit happens. Kane is one of the best pen takers in the world but everyone misses them. Couple of referee decisions going differently on another day and we could well have gone through etc. |
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Post by dmukgr on Dec 11, 2022 11:46:56 GMT
Steve Cooper would be an interesting contender after the Euros, and would continue the model established with Southgate. I think I would prefer that to going with Poch or Tuchel, as appealing as the idea is, or even Howe or Potter. The real success with this England side is continuity and Cooper would bring that. Plus he already won the World Cup showing he gets how to win tournaments. With some of the players in the main set up now. Yeah, this is where my head is at too |
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Post by gammonbanter on Dec 11, 2022 12:12:26 GMT
As I said on the other page, that’s what it always comes down to with England - small details and a lack of execution when they need it most. Technique / ability will be tested most when the pressure is at its highest and more often than not, that’s why England go out. Southgate has negated some of that by raising their confidence to a level where they are free to play without (as much) pressure and their technique does hold up for the most part It happens to the best though. Gerrard was one of the best in the world but his technique let him down when the pressure was at its highest, he miss controlled the pass, slipped over and the rest is history All the blame will be wrongly directed to Kane, Pickford and Southgate but the issue is much deeper than whoever made the mistake on the day There is no “deep issue” here. We lost the game by the finest of margins. It was also overall in terms of the performances across all the games the best we have played at any major tournament in my living memory. Shit happens. Kane is one of the best pen takers in the world but everyone misses them. Couple of referee decisions going differently on another day and we could well have gone through etc. I wholeheartedly agree! No shame, no anger; wasn't their night. I like this bunch of players so much, I wish them all the best! =) |
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Post by rawshark on Dec 11, 2022 14:09:39 GMT
It just dawned on me how similar the England Expects cycle is to the Sonic Cycle.
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Post by baihu1983 on Dec 11, 2022 14:17:52 GMT
Damn you.
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Post by TheSaint on Dec 11, 2022 15:10:12 GMT
Having slept on it I’ve decided that it’s probably for the best we got knocked out. Who would want to be known as the winners of the most corrupt football World Cup in history? We are much better waiting and winning the euros in Germany or the World Cup in the US.
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Post by rawshark on Dec 11, 2022 15:26:25 GMT
Yeah. Our biggest failing was that we even qualified for the wretched thing.
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Post by rockavitch on Dec 11, 2022 15:31:26 GMT
Seen quite a few people say similar this morning but the way I see it is you can't get invested in a corrupt world cup and then turn into a moody teenager when your team gets put out saying "I didn't want to win anyway" and using the corruption as an excuse, because the corruption was still there before the match.
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Post by baihu1983 on Dec 11, 2022 15:46:52 GMT
End of the day every WC or EC is going to have corruption behind it.
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Post by rockavitch on Dec 11, 2022 15:53:28 GMT
Exactly, I'm not even moaning about the people here just the amount of people that have been retweeted to my feed since the game have all been this way and it's pretty pathetic.
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Post by Kay on Dec 11, 2022 16:06:56 GMT
Everyone hates FIFA and knows how corrupt they are. Does that you mean you can't enjoy the actual sport? Why bother watching anything then? I very much doubt the team that wins the trophy, or its fans, will give a flying fuck about the background to this tournament.
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Post by gammonbanter on Dec 11, 2022 16:38:20 GMT
If Morocco wins the tournament, how will that change world football?
They have to win it to have an impact, remember when Turkey got to the semi final 20 years ago?!
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Post by jp on Dec 11, 2022 16:44:26 GMT
For me at least, it’s more that I was already less excited by this World Cup because of the issues surrounding it and therefore it makes it less devastating to go out.
I think it’s different than just saying “I didn’t care anyway” because you got knocked out. I think plenty of people were conflicted about the tournament going into it.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Dec 11, 2022 17:02:15 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 11, 2022 17:14:12 GMT
Ultimately, the Wikipedia page won’t have a (C) for corrupt next to the winners name. I would have loved us to have won but, if I had a magic lamp, I would prefer us to win a tournament that wasn’t absolutely rancid.
So probably less a magic lamp and more a Time Machine because, let’s face it, the game has been bent for longer than most of us have been alive.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Dec 11, 2022 23:25:07 GMT
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Post by Ulythium on Dec 11, 2022 23:41:10 GMT
Cue Jonny Wilkinson getting social media abuse in 3...2...1...
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Post by rawshark on Dec 12, 2022 8:26:00 GMT
I absolutely marked Portugal’s Euro win with an asterisk (in crayon) on account of them only winning one game. (The way it’s supposed to be played, anyway).
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