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Post by スコットランド on Nov 23, 2021 22:42:39 GMT
"Miracle in Japan" Really interesting insight into how, despite being so populous and having a very aging population, Japan is down to just 70 cases a day / 2 deaths. 70 cases... There's a few reasons but one of the main ones seems to be that the Delta variant mutated and basically killed itself off by getting it's amino acids in the wrong order. Also they have a higher Vax rate than the UK and better at masking up but those things alone can't explain how rapidly their case rates fell. More research is on the way but it's pretty fascinating and could give a glimmer of hope (or at least it does to me). Dr Campbell explains all youtu.be/E1GF0H9V_1gI'm sure another factor is that they are far, far healthier and far less obese but yes, it is interesting just how quickly cases fell.
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Post by richardiox on Nov 23, 2021 22:50:23 GMT
That would explain the deaths being lower but having just 70 recorded cases a day - and the sharpness of the drop with no policy changes or new measures there has to be something much bigger going on.
That case rate fall is faster than when we (UK) went into full lockdown and were only allowed out the house for an hour a day.
Fuck, remember those old EG arguements about people driving to parks etc?! How times have changed.
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Post by elstoof on Nov 24, 2021 7:13:15 GMT
What test provider? it’s a home test kit of the same brand and type that is handed out free on every high street, you still self test except you pay a private healthcare firm £20 for the privilege I don't get it. The government paid for those tests, right? The government provides tests to the public which we are advised to use twice a week. Returning to the country requires you to buy an identical testing kit from a private health company at a massively inflated cost. There is no option to buy from the government stocks and relieve the burden on the taxpayer
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 7:28:05 GMT
My breathing has gone to hell overnight to the point where I was thinking about hospital at 3 am. Its settled a little bit, but will do a covid test and if is still shot later I'll call someone. I'm asthmatic, so it might be something related to that.
edit: Lateral flow was negative, so must be an asthma attack. I've not had one before like this, but there's a first time for everything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 9:11:05 GMT
Just heard that my new boss (replaced my friend who died from cancer a couple of months ago) is now in hospital following Covid related complications. I think if they ever offer me the job I'll pass. That said, I did it for four months, so maybe I'm already doomed.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Nov 24, 2021 9:27:07 GMT
Well look after yourself, maybe the added covid related anxiety piled on the panic. I mean covid anxiety is real, I always have it in the back of my mind every headache or case of the squirts. But yeah, stay on top of it. Call for help if you think you need it.
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Post by dam on Nov 24, 2021 9:30:33 GMT
My breathing has gone to hell overnight to the point where I was thinking about hospital at 3 am. Its settled a little bit, but will do a covid test and if is still shot later I'll call someone. I'm asthmatic, so it might be something related to that. edit: Lateral flow was negative, so must be an asthma attack. I've not had one before like this, but there's a first time for everything. Don't leave it too long!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 9:31:40 GMT
I'd call the hospital if I were you, Witchking.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 10:09:16 GMT
Thanks. I've got an O2 monitor and that's saying my oxygen levels are okay which is the main thing. Last night they dipped when I couldn't catch my breath, but not to panic levels. I'm wondering wether its something as simple as the new bedding I put on the bed yesterday. Maybe it triggered my asthma for some reason (its the same detergent as always though).
I have been under a fair bit of stress (haven't we all) and yesterday was busy as I had to go to a parish council meeting to take notes where the locals were complaining about a proposed new build. So maybe its over doing it and a bit of a panic attack thing.
However, I'm watching things and if it doesn't settle down soon, (I've used my steroid inhaler now) then I'll call someone. At the moment, its just a case of having to take deep breaths every few breaths.
Edit: Settling down since the steroid, so something triggered my asthma in the middle of the night. Maybe even the central heating coming on for all I know. Once upon a time I'd have just assumed it was that, now its a "omg, I've got Covid". Still, at least there are no zombies on the streets just yet.
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Post by Psychotext on Nov 24, 2021 11:14:12 GMT
What’s this return from travel testing con all about then, just been to pick up my privately bought from government approved vendor LFT to do my 2 day test - it’s the same fucking test as the ones you get from the NHS for free but you aren’t allowed to use those. 20 quid into some government donor’s pocket, I had to go in public to pick it up potentially spreading the virus when I’ve got a drawer full of the exact same Flowflex kits right here Look on the bright side, it used to be more like £90. Fucking Tory cunts. Also they have a higher Vax rate than the UK and better at masking up but those things alone can't explain how rapidly their case rates fell. More research is on the way but it's pretty fascinating and could give a glimmer of hope (or at least it does to me). After a shit start they properly knocked it out of the park on vaccinations. Second only to South Korea in the G20 now, and a decent chunk above the UK (76% vs 67%).
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Post by askew on Nov 24, 2021 11:18:44 GMT
If you're on something like Fostair (pink), paramedics advised me that it was OK to take puffs of that as necessary if experiencing persistent shortness of breath.
But yeah, don't hold off. I had an ambulance round a couple of years back because my reliever wasnt' doing the job. They gave me oxygen and a nebuliser for ~90 mins
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Post by Psychotext on Nov 24, 2021 11:22:14 GMT
But yeah, don't hold off. I had an ambulance round a couple of years back because my reliever wasnt' doing the job. They gave me oxygen and a nebuliser for ~90 mins Not least because ambulances can take up to an hour even for relatively serious stuff at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 12:02:59 GMT
I'm on fostair (or a variant of) two puffs, twice a day. I've got salbutamol for when I get a problem like this. I'm keeping tabs on it and my O2 levels. Last time I was like this was when I had suspected covid in December.
Just looked at the world wide vaccination and there's been almost 8 billion doses given and getting on for half the world (42%) are fully vaccinated now.
Japan has a culture of mask wearing which might be helping them. Apparently they also have a madatory TB jab which uses an older strain of vaccine which is thought to increase resistance to other pathogens. They're not sure yet if this is the reason. There's also that Japanese don't have the whole handshaking and hugging culture. They also wonder if its genetics or (unlikely) that they had a very mild covid some time ago.
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Post by Dougs on Nov 24, 2021 12:44:05 GMT
Remarkable.
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Post by richardiox on Nov 24, 2021 14:46:45 GMT
The booster effect is really positive but just like with 2nd vaccinations my worry is we are just focusing infections into young people and specifically children. Something in the news today about Israel (ahead of us in Boosters) now has 40% of their total infections in children under 12. Yes, I know the chances of severe illness/death is lower in that cohort but long Covid is still an issue and a public health solution that doesn't include protecting children seems maybe unethical?
Torn on the issue though as there's also a case for acquired immunity through infection at an age range where people have the greatest chance of mild infection.
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Post by elstoof on Nov 24, 2021 14:56:13 GMT
Percentages are the wrong measurement when one demographic is lowering - a static figure, or even a lowering at a slower rate in children will see a rise in percentage
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Post by スコットランド on Nov 24, 2021 14:58:37 GMT
8585 cases today here in Switzerland, following exactly in Austria's footsteps. The fucking state of this country...
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Post by elstoof on Nov 24, 2021 15:07:44 GMT
The virus isn’t deciding who to infect, it doesn’t look at a double vaccinated person and think to itself, “nah fam, imma jump in that other cohort yo”
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Post by Red_Bool on Nov 24, 2021 15:33:34 GMT
8585 cases today here in Switzerland, following exactly in Austria's footsteps. The fucking state of this country... Here in the Netherlands we're at over 23000 per day, and has been for days now... Social distancing has been made mandatory again and everyone is expecting a new lockdown.
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Post by スコットランド on Nov 24, 2021 15:44:06 GMT
8585 cases today here in Switzerland, following exactly in Austria's footsteps. The fucking state of this country... Here in the Netherlands we're at over 23000 per day, and has been for days now... Social distancing has been made mandatory again and everyone is expecting a new lockdown.
So per capita you're twice as bad. Not ideal, we'll be there shortly.
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Post by richardiox on Nov 24, 2021 16:14:33 GMT
The virus isn’t deciding who to infect, it doesn’t look at a double vaccinated person and think to itself, “nah fam, imma jump in that other cohort yo” No, of course not but the virus will find it harder to infect vaccinated people or the infection will not be able to take hold. There are less symptomatic infections in vaccinated (especially 3 doses) individuals than in the non vaccinated eg children. A triple dosed people has 93% protection against symptomatic infection. An 11 year old has zero percent protection.
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Post by jimnastics on Nov 24, 2021 16:18:14 GMT
I'm boosted, Pfizer on top of 2 x Pfizers... thought they might go Moderna from what I had been hearing but it's all good. The lady jabber didn't give me much warning though, I hadn't really relaxed my arm before she attacked, stung like a bitch, felt my muscle spasm a bit, wasn't nice!
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Post by elstoof on Nov 24, 2021 16:25:25 GMT
The virus isn’t deciding who to infect, it doesn’t look at a double vaccinated person and think to itself, “nah fam, imma jump in that other cohort yo” No, of course not but the virus will find it harder to infect vaccinated people or the infection will not be able to take hold. There are less symptomatic infections in vaccinated (especially 3 doses) individuals than in the non vaccinated eg children. A triple dosed people has 93% protection against symptomatic infection. An 11 year old has zero percent protection. And how does any of that “focus infection into young people”?
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Post by 😎 on Nov 24, 2021 16:27:24 GMT
Stop questioning the resident pophealth expert. His credentials are second to none.
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Post by richardiox on Nov 24, 2021 16:34:15 GMT
Thanks Gremmi. Good one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 16:37:29 GMT
How the fuck is Piers "old cunt" Corbyn is allowed out (shame that bastard has not got covid yet) Once again he disrupts an event in London last night. In theory beating up old git is wrong but for him, he deserves it. Also his moronic followers still love him despite filmed trying to get a bribe for not attacking AZ vaccine so much
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Post by richardiox on Nov 24, 2021 16:39:14 GMT
No, of course not but the virus will find it harder to infect vaccinated people or the infection will not be able to take hold. There are less symptomatic infections in vaccinated (especially 3 doses) individuals than in the non vaccinated eg children. A triple dosed people has 93% protection against symptomatic infection. An 11 year old has zero percent protection. And how does any of that “focus infection into young people”? Focuses symptomatic infection into young people. And despite being the resident "pophealth expert"? I don't know why but as vaccine coverage has increased in older cohorts, incidence of infection have increased in younger cohorts. As stated by another poster, it may be because vaccinated individuals are less likely to have any symptoms and therefore less likely to get tested so it just looks like there's a higher incidence rate in the young. As a parent to two children I just thought the news today from Israel was interesting...and yet again rebelled against Gremmis decree that this thread is exclusively for personal stories of Covid.
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Post by 😎 on Nov 24, 2021 16:42:27 GMT
It’s fine to talk about Covid stats if you have an actual understanding of what they mean and aren’t just doomscrolling for information to match the mood of the day. I actually do work closely in pophealth and vaccine distribution and while I’m no clinical expert it’s enough to know that this thread is pretty toxic in woeful misinformation and misunderstanding.
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Post by richardiox on Nov 24, 2021 16:44:11 GMT
It’s fine to talk about Covid stats if you have an actual understanding of what they mean and aren’t just doomscrolling for information to match the mood of the day. I actually do work closely in pophealth and vaccine distribution and while I’m no clinical expert it’s enough to know that this thread is pretty toxic in woeful misinformation and misunderstanding. 40% of cases in Israel amonst kids aged 12 and under is woeful misinformation?
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Post by 😎 on Nov 24, 2021 16:45:00 GMT
Your attempts to interpret what that number means are, yes.
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