|
|
Post by Dougs on Nov 15, 2021 19:18:32 GMT
All part of the plan. I wonder who can sort this out?
|
|
スコットランド
Junior Member
Delicious gruel
Posts: 3,934
|
Post by スコットランド on Nov 15, 2021 19:24:29 GMT
Sounds as if boosters will be opened up to more people here in Switzerland this week.
For Pfizer they give same dose as before but Moderna is only. 1/2 dose. Any idea why?
Interestingly they recommend getting the same type of vaccine whereas I thought that mix 'n' matching was deemed slightly better...
|
|
Lukus
Junior Member
Posts: 2,710
|
Post by Lukus on Nov 15, 2021 19:26:55 GMT
Only cool people get Pfizer.
|
|
richardiox
Junior Member
Semi proficient
Posts: 1,659
Member is Online
|
Post by richardiox on Nov 15, 2021 19:31:36 GMT
Isn't it more the case that because we've been having those kind of numbers for months it's spread the admissions pressure on our health services and also built up a fair amount of population immunity. I mean we've been on 30-50k daily cases since July. That's just confirmed cases. So more likely 50 - 75k actual which is say roughly 500k a week. Over the last 15 weeks. In theory, separate to vaccinated, there should be way less susceptible people in the UK heading into Winter. Also, shouts to Ecosse who was implying last week that heavily vaccinated countries can't have a surge in cases. Portugal has the highest vaccinated population in Europe and their cases are now surging akin to Germany, France, Holland etc. Delta doesn't seem to give a shit about the vaccine judging by the amount of breakthrough infections. I never said that they couldn't have a surge, just that their numbers and "surges" are far lower, which they are. Country New Cases/1M Vaccine Slovenia 1520 54% Croatia 1310 45%Austria 1200 63%
Netherlands 785 73%Germany 449 66% France 149 68.5% Portugal 139 87.5% Spain 65 80% See any sort of difference in case numbers there depending on % vaccinated there mate? Looks to me as if Delta actually does give a shit. You said the only way to stop Covid is to get vaccinations as close to 100% as possible. My point was that even if a country has vaccinated nearly 90% of its total population (eg Portugal) it still doesn't stop the spread of Covid. Yes obviously it helps keeps cases relatively lower and primarily prevents hospitalisation and deaths but the fact that a country with nigh on 90% Vax is still having a surge is pretty shit, right? And how can Holland have a higher case rate than Germany when the Dutch have a higher vaxxed population (according to your logic?) |
|
dogbot
Full Member
Posts: 8,738
|
Post by dogbot on Nov 15, 2021 19:31:48 GMT
Only cool people get Pfizer. That can’t be right, because I’ve had two doses of it. |
|
スコットランド
Junior Member
Delicious gruel
Posts: 3,934
|
Post by スコットランド on Nov 15, 2021 19:50:19 GMT
I never said that they couldn't have a surge, just that their numbers and "surges" are far lower, which they are. Country New Cases/1M Vaccine Slovenia 1520 54% Croatia 1310 45%Austria 1200 63%
Netherlands 785 73%Germany 449 66% France 149 68.5% Portugal 139 87.5% Spain 65 80% See any sort of difference in case numbers there depending on % vaccinated there mate? Looks to me as if Delta actually does give a shit. You said the only way to stop Covid is to get vaccinations as close to 100% as possible. My point was that even if a country has vaccinated nearly 90% of its total population (eg Portugal) it still doesn't stop the spread of Covid. Yes obviously it helps keeps cases relatively lower and primarily prevents hospitalisation and deaths but the fact that a country with nigh on 90% Vax is still having a surge is pretty shit, right? And how can Holland have a higher case rate than Germany when the Dutch have a higher vaxxed population (according to your logic?) Yes and I'm right but Covid won't be stopped overnight, no matter what, nothing immediately stops it and no vaccine was ever expected to. Your argument is a bit "Life of Brian". Yes but apart from keeping cases lower, preventing hospitalisation and preventing death, what have vaccines ever done for us? As for Holland and Germany, I don't have all the answers but Netherlands is a far more densely populated country and their surge started slightly before Germany. |
|
|
|
Post by Trowel 🏴 on Nov 15, 2021 19:53:28 GMT
"Covid only kills the old and vulnerable"
|
|
cubby
Full Member
doesn't get subtext
Posts: 6,397
|
Post by cubby on Nov 15, 2021 19:59:30 GMT
They must have had a secret underlying old body.
|
|
richardiox
Junior Member
Semi proficient
Posts: 1,659
Member is Online
|
Post by richardiox on Nov 15, 2021 20:05:58 GMT
ecosseWe're both right! Despite your usual condescending tone... of course I'm aware of the benefits of vaccines. They slightly reduce transmission and massively reduce hospitalisation and deaths. I was just pointing out the current surges in Germany, Holland etc aren't *just* down to low vaccination figures - that surges are inevitable even in highly vaccinated countries. I think we'll see Portugal end up with high case rates too unfortunately. Low population immunity from natural infection plus waning vaccine efficacy.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 20:09:31 GMT
Sounds as if boosters will be opened up to more people here in Switzerland this week. For Pfizer they give same dose as before but Moderna is only. 1/2 dose. Any idea why? Interestingly they recommend getting the same type of vaccine whereas I thought that mix 'n' matching was deemed slightly better... Moderna has over three times the vaccine material (100ug) compared to Pfizer. That's why they think moderna is doing noticeably better than Pfizer despite being the same technology. And yes, mixing and matching gives a better resistance than all the same. |
|
|
|
Post by Reviewer on Nov 15, 2021 20:11:10 GMT
There are a huge number of factors involved. It’s a waste of time for anyone but the experts to try and work it out.
|
|
スコットランド
Junior Member
Delicious gruel
Posts: 3,934
|
Post by スコットランド on Nov 15, 2021 20:15:36 GMT
ecosse We're both right! Despite your usual condescending tone... of course I'm aware of the benefits of vaccines. They slightly reduce transmission and massively reduce hospitalisation and deaths. I was just pointing out the current surges in Germany, Holland etc aren't *just* down to low vaccination figures - that surges are inevitable even in highly vaccinated countries. I think we'll see Portugal end up with high case rates too unfortunately. Low population immunity from natural infection plus waning vaccine efficacy. It's hard not to be condescending when you're just so, so right.  |
|
スコットランド
Junior Member
Delicious gruel
Posts: 3,934
|
Post by スコットランド on Nov 15, 2021 20:16:30 GMT
Sounds as if boosters will be opened up to more people here in Switzerland this week. For Pfizer they give same dose as before but Moderna is only. 1/2 dose. Any idea why? Interestingly they recommend getting the same type of vaccine whereas I thought that mix 'n' matching was deemed slightly better... Moderna has over three times the vaccine material (100ug) compared to Pfizer. That's why they think moderna is doing noticeably better than Pfizer despite being the same technology. And yes, mixing and matching gives a better resistance than all the same. Aha, cheers. So, do I accept more Moderna or push for Pfizer. Whichever is quicker I suppose... |
|
|
|
Post by Dougs on Nov 15, 2021 20:16:43 GMT
There are a huge number of factors involved. It’s a waste of time for anyone but the experts to try and work it out. Basically. And quite how anyone has the energy to still discuss it is beyond me. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 20:20:31 GMT
Moderna has over three times the vaccine material (100ug) compared to Pfizer. That's why they think moderna is doing noticeably better than Pfizer despite being the same technology. And yes, mixing and matching gives a better resistance than all the same. Aha, cheers. So, do I accept more Moderna or push for Pfizer. Whichever is quicker I suppose... Hard to know. In the UK, they're giving the full dose for the moderna booster. I'd say either was good, but the full size of moderna is better than the full size of Pfizer. Half dose, no clue and I suspect it's not something they tested widely if at all. If I had a choice between a half dose of moderna or a full dose of Pfizer, I'd get the latter as that's what's been mostly trialled. |
|
|
|
Post by technoish on Nov 15, 2021 20:27:14 GMT
It can be quite meaningless to compare single data points for cases and compare different areas. As we have seen, infections go in waves, up and down. One are might be rising while another already peaked.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dougs on Nov 15, 2021 20:44:38 GMT
All very well going on about boosters but you can't get an appointment for love nor money here.
|
|
Lukus
Junior Member
Posts: 2,710
|
Post by Lukus on Nov 15, 2021 20:55:47 GMT
There are a huge number of factors involved. It’s a waste of time for anyone but the experts to try and work it out. Basically. And quite how anyone has the energy to still discuss it is beyond me. I was just thinking that. Richardiox, aren't you bored of talking about this yet? |
|
richardiox
Junior Member
Semi proficient
Posts: 1,659
Member is Online
|
Post by richardiox on Nov 15, 2021 21:15:07 GMT
Bored of talking about Covid? Nah I'm highly anxious about it and this actually helps. Also compared to the *old place* I've really toned down my Covid posting. Mainly cause Wayne is no longer around to spar with.
Also, I'm sure your quoted comment was discussing the benefits of the different vaccines and I wasn't even involved in that discussion.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dougs on Nov 15, 2021 21:19:06 GMT
I became much less anxious about it as soon as I'd been vaccinated and then caught it. It demystified it to me. It's a nasty virus and I am not in a hurry to catch it again, and am worried about my mum and in-laws catching it. But ultimately most people are fine and I don't have the energy to worry about it anymore.
|
|
|
|
Post by 😎 on Nov 15, 2021 21:34:43 GMT
I’m not quite sure how regularly trying to interpret something beyond the layman’s comprehension is particularly anxiety relieving. Can’t you take that kind of stuff to the Covid Reddit if you need that kind of deep dive analysis from top experts?
|
|
richardiox
Junior Member
Semi proficient
Posts: 1,659
Member is Online
|
Post by richardiox on Nov 15, 2021 21:45:03 GMT
Who needs deep dive analysis from top experts? Maybe people get that from elsewhere on the web, surprisingly enough. I thought this was the Covid thread right? Just shooting the shit as is the traditional forum way.
|
|
|
|
Post by 😎 on Nov 15, 2021 21:48:02 GMT
Should probably be more “I’ve got my booster and feel like shit” than “here are the numbers from Denmark that mean basically nothing to anyone, where’s my PhD already” surely.
|
|
richardiox
Junior Member
Semi proficient
Posts: 1,659
Member is Online
|
Post by richardiox on Nov 15, 2021 22:08:53 GMT
Disagree. Think it's fine to talk personal and local as well as the bigger picture. We got talking about European figures as several posters are in Europe so it affects them.
|
|
|
|
Post by 😎 on Nov 15, 2021 22:12:00 GMT
But it’s been two years. If you’re still getting so anxious about the figures you have to dive into the technical minutiae between mostly contextless stats to reassure yourself it’s probably time to get some therapy for it instead of armchairing it up here and getting things wrong and mixed up.
|
|
richardiox
Junior Member
Semi proficient
Posts: 1,659
Member is Online
|
Post by richardiox on Nov 15, 2021 22:18:50 GMT
But it’s been two years. If you’re still getting so anxious about the figures you have to dive into the technical minutiae between mostly contextless stats to reassure yourself it’s probably time to get some therapy for it instead of armchairing it up here and getting things wrong and mixed up. I'm not that anxious to be fair. I've been to two sweaty metal gigs in the last three weeks and to the pub a couple of times. My anxiety is more about how WE come out of this. It's a right fucker, no? What have I got wrong/mixed up by the way? Also good one at "get therapy"...I have a smelling orange, who the fuck needs therapy?! Also, this is a very weird bit of forum policing, are you bored? |
|
|
|
Post by Dougs on Nov 16, 2021 7:00:56 GMT
There is no coming out of it. This is it.
|
|
Frog
Full Member
Posts: 7,300
|
Post by Frog on Nov 16, 2021 7:06:04 GMT
Doug's with the cheery Tuesday morning post.
I read it in a game over man, game over voice.
|
|
|
|
Post by Reviewer on Nov 16, 2021 7:45:26 GMT
He’s right though, this is ‘coming out of it’.
|
|
スコットランド
Junior Member
Delicious gruel
Posts: 3,934
|
Post by スコットランド on Nov 16, 2021 7:50:41 GMT
He’s right though, this is ‘coming out of it’. In the UK, maybe but things could change as we get further into winter. A lot of the rest of the world is not coming out of it yet though. |
|
