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Post by Psychotext on Nov 12, 2021 11:33:57 GMT
I assume they're just doing it to reduce pressure on their health services.
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Post by Red_Bool on Nov 12, 2021 11:56:46 GMT
Looks like the Netherlands are going to do a 3-week circuit breaker type partial lockdown. As per previous comments, it's a funny one at this point. What do they do after the 3 weeks circuit breaker when cases inevitably surge again? They have a similar vaccinated rate to UK (about 70% total population) but arguably have had much less community infection to contribute towards herd immunity. Actually we have ~85% vaccination rate.
The "lockdown" that is going to be communicated this evening is about bars, restaurants and non-essential shops closing at 19:00, no supporters at sports matches, work from home unless not possible. Schools to remain open.
Our "government" also needs time to get the legal side arranged for more legislation (more places where a corona pass is needed, 2G). Also we're now seeing the result of years of neglecting our health services, so pressure in the hospitals is getting out of hand again.
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Post by jimnastics on Nov 12, 2021 14:09:07 GMT
As per previous comments, it's a funny one at this point. What do they do after the 3 weeks circuit breaker when cases inevitably surge again? They have a similar vaccinated rate to UK (about 70% total population) but arguably have had much less community infection to contribute towards herd immunity. Actually we have ~85% vaccination rate.
The "lockdown" that is going to be communicated this evening is about bars, restaurants and non-essential shops closing at 19:00, no supporters at sports matches, work from home unless not possible. Schools to remain open.
Our "government" also needs time to get the legal side arranged for more legislation (more places where a corona pass is needed, 2G). Also we're now seeing the result of years of neglecting our health services, so pressure in the hospitals is getting out of hand again.
You've got 85% double-vax rate across the entire population?? That's nuts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 14:13:32 GMT
So a country with an extremely high vaccination rate is having a surge of infections you say. Interesting.
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Post by Red_Bool on Nov 12, 2021 14:55:15 GMT
The highest number of infections (per day) since the start of COVID even... Problem is the high number of people (even vaccinated) ending up in the hospital: covid-analytics.nl/hospital.htmlThey are taking up space much longer than "regular" patients, so regular health care is taking a big hit again.
Note that the vaccinated people in the hospital are typically elder people with additional health issues. They were also the first ones to get the vaccine and we still haven't organized a proper booster shot strategy.
And all this is caused (imho) by misplaced optimism by our government (and faith in a Corona pass that doesn't work). Every single time, more measures were lifted than what the experts advised (for example, we stop with the social distancing AND you don't need to wear a face mask anymore - brilliant  )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 14:59:55 GMT
I honestly think it's going to happen everywhere. At some point you've got to let it go and just hope there's enough immunity in the population to not let the hospitals collapse. The vaccines aren't strong enough to stop delta surging so at some point you've just got to do it. As much as we've completely fucked this up, letting it go early and getting it through the population before winter hit is looking like a wiser decision every day.
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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Nov 12, 2021 15:01:32 GMT
Sweden was right, again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 15:04:19 GMT
No they weren't. Letting it run through the population once the majority of the population has been vaccinated and doing what Sweden tried to do are two very different things.
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Post by richardiox on Nov 12, 2021 15:10:07 GMT
So a country with an extremely high vaccination rate is having a surge of infections you say. Interesting. Not possible. |
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Post by richardiox on Nov 12, 2021 15:13:18 GMT
Actually we have ~85% vaccination rate.
The "lockdown" that is going to be communicated this evening is about bars, restaurants and non-essential shops closing at 19:00, no supporters at sports matches, work from home unless not possible. Schools to remain open.
Our "government" also needs time to get the legal side arranged for more legislation (more places where a corona pass is needed, 2G). Also we're now seeing the result of years of neglecting our health services, so pressure in the hospitals is getting out of hand again.
You've got 85% double-vax rate across the entire population?? That's nuts.
He's wrong. Holland is 85% of 18+ population. UK is 80% of the 12+ population. |
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Post by Red_Bool on Nov 12, 2021 15:13:56 GMT
So a country with an extremely high vaccination rate is having a surge of infections you say. Interesting. Not possible. In Dutch, but you'll get the idea:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 15:15:51 GMT
I've just had my booster a couple of hours ago (moderna). This one is kicking my ass a bit (headache, numbness, swollen glands, feeling like shit). I suppose at least I know I'm going to have damned good reception.
Went from there to the supermarket to play "spot the mask". People just don't seem to give a shit about others and are in full "I'm alright jack" mode.
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Post by jimnastics on Nov 12, 2021 16:23:24 GMT
I've just had my booster a couple of hours ago (moderna). This one is kicking my ass a bit (headache, numbness, swollen glands, feeling like shit). I suppose at least I know I'm going to have damned good reception. Went from there to the supermarket to play "spot the mask". People just don't seem to give a shit about others and are in full "I'm alright jack" mode.
I've got my booster booked in a couple of weeks, 30mins drive.... how quickly did you symptoms kick in? Am I daft for risking the drive myself?
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 12, 2021 16:25:39 GMT
The thing is, with the most vulnerable well protected because of the vaccine, and everyone else having additional protection, I can see why people a aren’t taking any precautions because relatively few that haven’t been vaccinated have serious issues.
Still, masks in crowded areas, precautions over big gatherings (at least encouraging self testing before attendance) seem like they’ll be the norm from now on. This is all still with a lot of people still WFH so the commuter traffic hasn’t fully returned yet. I’m not sure things are going to get much better than they are now in terms of winter numbers, but I’m not sure they’ll get much worse either.
Deaths are in line with a bad year of the flu and it seems the government is ok with that.
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Post by drhcnip on Nov 12, 2021 16:33:31 GMT
had the moderna booster yesterday (az main jabs) with my flu jab - no noticeable side effects yet but it did take a few days to happen last time...probably takes a while to find its way round my fat twat body
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 16:37:32 GMT
I've just had my booster a couple of hours ago (moderna). This one is kicking my ass a bit (headache, numbness, swollen glands, feeling like shit). I suppose at least I know I'm going to have damned good reception. Went from there to the supermarket to play "spot the mask". People just don't seem to give a shit about others and are in full "I'm alright jack" mode.
I've got my booster booked in a couple of weeks, 30mins drive.... how quickly did you symptoms kick in? Am I daft for risking the drive myself?
I drove myself. Unlike AZ, I felt symptoms quite quick with this one, but I went shopping after. It's only now that it's about 3 hours later that I'm getting a killer headache, facial numbness and arm numbness and tingling. Oh and feeling wiped. So you should be alright and we're all different. Moderna apparently has three times the dose of Pfizer which might be why is hitting me. I was going to pick up my daughter from school now, but can't do it and my wife's had to go, but I was okay enough until about 45 minutes ago. |
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Post by スコットランド on Nov 12, 2021 16:48:09 GMT
So a country with an extremely high vaccination rate is having a surge of infections you say. Interesting. Before Delta came along , the estimated minimum vaccination rate to have a chance at "herd immunity" (which is theoretical) was 80%, delta means that it's probably higher. The only countries above 80% in Europe are Iceland, Spain and Portugal, not sure how the Netherlands qualifies as "extremely high vaccination rate" with 73.2%. Quite simply, vaccination rates in most countries are too low. Spain and Iceland have currently around 1/10 the cases that the Netherlands does, Portugal 1/6 (per head of population obvs). |
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Post by スコットランド on Nov 12, 2021 16:52:49 GMT
Yep, Sweden with 8x the death rate of neighbouring Norway, 7x of Finland and 4x that of Denmark have done a brilliant job. Be proud, Tonka. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 16:52:54 GMT
I guess we'll see.
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Post by Red_Bool on Nov 12, 2021 17:23:50 GMT
not sure how the Netherlands qualifies as "extremely high vaccination rate" with 73.2%. Official number is 84.4% actually. By the way, how old are you guys for already getting booster shots? I get the feeling we're really lagging behind here... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 17:25:24 GMT
It's only over 50's and immune compromised getting them here at the minute.
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Post by スコットランド on Nov 12, 2021 17:29:02 GMT
not sure how the Netherlands qualifies as "extremely high vaccination rate" with 73.2%. Official number is 84.4% actually. By the way, how old are you guys for already getting booster shots? I get the feeling we're really lagging behind here... Not of the entire population it isn't. Sadly boosters are only for over 65s in Switzerland, I'm hoping they'll open it further up not too far in the future... |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 12, 2021 17:30:02 GMT
No they weren't. Letting it run through the population once the majority of the population has been vaccinated and doing what Sweden tried to do are two very different things. Yes, it’s rampaging because people have stopped giving a fuck. I think it’s tipped to more people I know having it than not now. Half my team have been off with it in the last month alone and, touch wood, they were all fine. Bar the one guy who lost his sense of smell and when it came back literally everything smelled like dog shit. |
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Post by drhcnip on Nov 12, 2021 17:33:32 GMT
not sure how the Netherlands qualifies as "extremely high vaccination rate" with 73.2%. Official number is 84.4% actually. By the way, how old are you guys for already getting booster shots? I get the feeling we're really lagging behind here... 48, but i'm on the clinically extremely vulnerable list |
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Post by Psychotext on Nov 12, 2021 17:35:13 GMT
I see the UK media is starting to focus on increased cases in Europe... having completely ignored our increased cases for the last 3 months. Very little mention of hospitalisations and death rates compared to us though, strange that.
Edit - I'm properly fucked off about the whole thing generally as my lungs are back to being fucked again after my most recent bout of it. Not quite as bad as last time, but I still can't get back to training and it's getting to me a lot.
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Post by Sarfrin on Nov 12, 2021 19:41:37 GMT
Sorry have I missed the memo where this disease is “preventable”? You two are going to have to tell me what your solutions are to it that clear this little COVID problem right up. And the 35k to 75k number - none of them would have died of natural causes or other issues? ”murderous fucking psychopaths” is a total nonsense. Is the government a bunch of utter cunts yes. Is the world gripped in a once in a century medical catastrophe yes. Is there a level of normality and a rate of death that everyone is going to have to start to accept yes. For the record I cannot believe how lame and weak these Tory cunts are on mask wearing. But I think society being open alongside the continued mass vaccination effort is the right thing we should be doing now. What exactly are the alternative options that are better ? Maybe ask New Zealand with their 6 deaths per million compared to our 2000. And I have relatives there. They were fully open when we still had lots of restrictions because they dealt with the problem quickly and effectively. There are plenty of other countries with way lower per capita death rates than us too, so obviously there are better alternatives. |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 12, 2021 19:44:09 GMT
Can't get a booster appointment for love nor money here. Will wait till after Christmas now I think.
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Post by Sarfrin on Nov 12, 2021 19:48:29 GMT
I guess we were differing in the word preventable meaning to me “it can be stopped”. My original response remains to the original post / poster. Our government has made a total cluster fuck from start to end, worse then many. But outside of simple open goal tap ins they refuse to take due to political cuntery, we are in BAU. Vaccination improvements, tolerance levels and slowly increased general immunity will over time see it’s impact dwindle but as you say will take probably 10 years to become insignificant. Preventable means it can be prevented sometimes, not that it can be entirely eradicated. Seatbelts can prevent road deaths but that doesn't mean there'll be no road deaths if everyone wears seatbelts. |
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Post by Youthist on Nov 13, 2021 1:01:52 GMT
I guess we were differing in the word preventable meaning to me “it can be stopped”. My original response remains to the original post / poster. Our government has made a total cluster fuck from start to end, worse then many. But outside of simple open goal tap ins they refuse to take due to political cuntery, we are in BAU. Vaccination improvements, tolerance levels and slowly increased general immunity will over time see it’s impact dwindle but as you say will take probably 10 years to become insignificant. Preventable means it can be prevented sometimes, not that it can be entirely eradicated. Seatbelts can prevent road deaths but that doesn't mean there'll be no road deaths if everyone wears seatbelts. You called the government murdering psychopaths and I am trying to find out what the solution would be that you would put in place or offer up regarding COVID were you in charge that would prevent it - more than what they are doing right now outside of the basics around mask wearing which everyone thinks should occur apart from Tory cunts - and where you think that would take the death rate were those measures to be put into law / forced upon the population…and would you then consider that level of daily deaths acceptable with those measures? |
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Post by Youthist on Nov 13, 2021 1:06:33 GMT
Sorry have I missed the memo where this disease is “preventable”? You two are going to have to tell me what your solutions are to it that clear this little COVID problem right up. And the 35k to 75k number - none of them would have died of natural causes or other issues? ”murderous fucking psychopaths” is a total nonsense. Is the government a bunch of utter cunts yes. Is the world gripped in a once in a century medical catastrophe yes. Is there a level of normality and a rate of death that everyone is going to have to start to accept yes. For the record I cannot believe how lame and weak these Tory cunts are on mask wearing. But I think society being open alongside the continued mass vaccination effort is the right thing we should be doing now. What exactly are the alternative options that are better ? Maybe ask New Zealand with their 6 deaths per million compared to our 2000. And I have relatives there. They were fully open when we still had lots of restrictions because they dealt with the problem quickly and effectively. There are plenty of other countries with way lower per capita death rates than us too, so obviously there are better alternatives. What are they / what would you do differently? |
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