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Post by Dgzter on Oct 28, 2021 8:13:16 GMT
Can I ask why you believe the Scottish people would vote to leave the UK in the event of a referendum? Im not Scottish but imagine most people would answer ‘we share a border with a nation of cunts’ Ha! Well, maaaaaaaaybe. Though I have grown somewhat vaguely fond of my wife, and her family. To a certain extent. I think what I'm really interested in is why those who are perhaps not minded to support Scottish independence genuinely fear that the unionist side might end up losing the debate were another vote to come around. The obvious reasons are, of course, pretty ... obvious. But those have presumably not swayed the many who are still against the idea, so I'd be keen to understand why those individuals still worry that it will have shifted enough of public opinion to change the outcome from 2014. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 8:13:21 GMT
If you want a read on the state of this country, look at Grenfell Tower. 72 people burned to death because the local Tories were more concerned with how it looked than any piffle about safety, and now, rather than having those Tories thrown from the top of the remaining wreck, millions of pounds are being spent to talk and talk and talk and talk until it's all nobodys fault really, but what a shame eh, shall we turn it into a memorial?
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Post by sport✅ on Oct 28, 2021 8:42:56 GMT
If you want a read on the state of this country, look at Grenfell Tower. 72 people burned to death because the local Tories were more concerned with how it looked than any piffle about safety, and now, rather than having those Tories thrown from the top of the remaining wreck, millions of pounds are being spent to talk and talk and talk and talk until it's all nobodys fault really, but what a shame eh, shall we turn it into a memorial? Don't forget the current residents across the country who can't sell their flats because they have cladding and it ain't the developers or govt who apparently need to fork out the millions to replace it - it's poor bob on the 4th floor. |
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Post by jono62 on Oct 28, 2021 9:24:14 GMT
If you want a read on the state of this country, look at Grenfell Tower. 72 people burned to death because the local Tories were more concerned with how it looked than any piffle about safety, and now, rather than having those Tories thrown from the top of the remaining wreck, millions of pounds are being spent to talk and talk and talk and talk until it's all nobodys fault really, but what a shame eh, shall we turn it into a memorial? Don't forget the current residents across the country who can't sell their flats because they have cladding and it ain't the developers or govt who apparently need to fork out the millions to replace it - it's poor bob on the 4th floor. Could go either way for poor bob. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 9:34:24 GMT
If you want a read on the state of this country, look at Grenfell Tower. 72 people burned to death because the local Tories were more concerned with how it looked than any piffle about safety, and now, rather than having those Tories thrown from the top of the remaining wreck, millions of pounds are being spent to talk and talk and talk and talk until it's all nobodys fault really, but what a shame eh, shall we turn it into a memorial? Don't forget the current residents across the country who can't sell their flats because they have cladding and it ain't the developers or govt who apparently need to fork out the millions to replace it - it's poor bob on the 4th floor. If it were the developers fault, that would hurt the profits of the developers and so the donations to the Tory Party. If it were the governments fault, that would also hurt the Tory Party. So of course it can be neither of those things. The entitlement and exceptionalism exists at every level, as seen by Rees-Mogg saying that even though all commons staff have to wear masks, MPs shouldn't (for whatever bullshit reason they make up this week), when the actual reason is that masks have effectively been shown to be more beneficial to other people than the wearer themselves, and so why would any decent Tory bother, because fuck everyone else, it's the Tory way. |
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Post by skalpadda on Oct 28, 2021 9:48:08 GMT
Does anyone in the UK actually like the Tories? I don't mean vote for them out of cynical self-interest or because they fear socialism or whatever - that I can make sense of - but actually like them?
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Post by mrharvest on Oct 28, 2021 9:49:12 GMT
Tories thrown from the top of the remaining wreck, millions of pounds are being spent to talk and talk and talk and talk until it's all nobodys fault really I mean they did blame the fire brigade: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50216606 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 9:59:08 GMT
Does anyone in the UK actually like the Tories? I don't mean vote for them out of cynical self-interest or because they fear socialism or whatever - that I can make sense of - but actually like them? Many people love Johnson. Why shouldn't I lie to my employers? Johnson would. Why shouldn't I lie to my partner? Johnson would. Why shouldn't I denigrate and bully those around me? Johnson would. Just one of the many reasons he should be erased from reality. |
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Post by dam on Oct 28, 2021 10:01:26 GMT
We have such an obvious bunch of corrupt and incompetent politicians in power, who can seemingly do no wrong in the eyes of the public thanks to the daily mail etc. Brexit on its own would be bad enough, but together with the pandemic it really does feel like a shit sandwich. So yeah, everything is terrible in the UK. This - they could have handled Brexit in a way that would recognise the outcome of the vote, but also keep the majority of people happy. Instead they've pandered to a insane minority and set out to wreck the UK. The official forecasts show Brexit is twice as damaging as the CV19 pandemic. And it's all voluntary. I see no advantage to being part of the UK. |
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Post by dam on Oct 28, 2021 10:03:15 GMT
Does anyone in the UK actually like the Tories? I don't mean vote for them out of cynical self-interest or because they fear socialism or whatever - that I can make sense of - but actually like them? They are only in power due to FPTP. I think the majority are vaguely centre/left leaning. But due to the electoral system, this isn't reflected in parliament. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2021 11:43:54 GMT
I grew up in the 80s and it is worse now. At least back then they pretended to be contrite when caught doing something wrong and resigned. Now they have a go at the people who caught them and carry on. Totally. I was remarking on that oddity the other day ago with a mate. People used to resign back in the day, the Tories have always been cunts but there was at least an air of competence and knowing when to do the right thing and resign. Now it's all deny, lie, obfuscate and wait for it to blow over and repeat. |
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Post by sport✅ on Oct 28, 2021 12:06:08 GMT
Now it's all deny, lie, obfuscate, profit and wait for it to blow over and repeat. Slight amendment. |
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Post by skalpadda on Oct 28, 2021 13:08:16 GMT
Does anyone in the UK actually like the Tories? I don't mean vote for them out of cynical self-interest or because they fear socialism or whatever - that I can make sense of - but actually like them? Many people love Johnson. Why shouldn't I lie to my employers? Johnson would. Why shouldn't I lie to my partner? Johnson would. Why shouldn't I denigrate and bully those around me? Johnson would. Just one of the many reasons he should be erased from reality. Yeah, it's just... There are politicians here that I genuinely hate because I think they're evil, or dangerously stupid, or both. But whenever I see or read about prominent Tories they don't even seem like believable humans. Boris seems to have preemptively turned into a spitting image puppet of himself. Cameron must have been a robot or an alien wearing a skinsuit. Patel is basically Emperor Palpatine. Theresa May I remember more as Home Secretary than PM, where she mainly seemed to try to out-evil Thatcher. They're all really creepy! |
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Post by reddevil93 on Oct 28, 2021 13:17:22 GMT
I am genuinely terrified of what's going on now. Me too. Full on autocratic regime in the making. Feels relevant |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 28, 2021 13:19:41 GMT
Many people love Johnson. Why shouldn't I lie to my employers? Johnson would. Why shouldn't I lie to my partner? Johnson would. Why shouldn't I denigrate and bully those around me? Johnson would. Just one of the many reasons he should be erased from reality. Yeah, it's just... There are politicians here that I genuinely hate because I think they're evil, or dangerously stupid, or both. But whenever I see or read about prominent Tories they don't even seem like believable humans. Boris seems to have preemptively turned into a spitting image puppet of himself. Cameron must have been a robot or an alien wearing a skinsuit. Patel is basically Emperor Palpatine. Theresa May I remember more as Home Secretary than PM, where she mainly seemed to try to out-evil Thatcher. They're all really creepy! What I find incredible with the Tories is that each time someone leaves a position, somebody I loathe more steps in. As PM, I find Johnson worse than May, May worse than Cameron. I find Patel worse than May as HS. Javid worse than Hancock. Somehow the bar keeps sinking lower. It's literally subterranean at this point. I apologize for my use of "literally" when describing a metaphorical concept. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 28, 2021 13:23:18 GMT
Maybe it was because I was fairly young, and he didn't do anything evil enough to get my attention (at least that I noticed), but I miss the boring politics of John Major.
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Post by Danno on Oct 28, 2021 13:34:29 GMT
Maybe it was because I was fairly young, and he didn't do anything evil enough to get my attention (at least that I noticed), but I miss the boring politics of John Major. Same. I'm miles away from their political positions, but the likes of Major, Ken Clarke, Heseltine and so on were respectable and they actually believed in what they did. Statesmen, not chancers. |
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Post by Sarfrin on Oct 28, 2021 13:55:07 GMT
I mean Clarke's still flogging tobacco but he's killing himself with it as well so at least he's not a hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 14:46:30 GMT
Many people love Johnson. Why shouldn't I lie to my employers? Johnson would. Why shouldn't I lie to my partner? Johnson would. Why shouldn't I denigrate and bully those around me? Johnson would. Just one of the many reasons he should be erased from reality. Yeah, it's just... There are politicians here that I genuinely hate because I think they're evil, or dangerously stupid, or both. But whenever I see or read about prominent Tories they don't even seem like believable humans. Boris seems to have preemptively turned into a spitting image puppet of himself. Cameron must have been a robot or an alien wearing a skinsuit. Patel is basically Emperor Palpatine. Theresa May I remember more as Home Secretary than PM, where she mainly seemed to try to out-evil Thatcher. They're all really creepy! the spitting image puppets are actually more human and nicer than their real life counter parts |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 17:37:38 GMT
No one has mentioned the UK fishing boats UK vows retaliation if France goes ahead with ‘illegal’ sanctions in Brexit fishing feud www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-fishing-dispute-uk-france-b1946657.htmlI think retaliation is sending Mogg and francois in borat swimsuits as the first wave in a fight Also saw this story UK Government branded 'international embarrassment' over aviation tax cut could of stopped at international embarrassment |
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Post by dogbot on Oct 28, 2021 19:02:09 GMT
Obviously, François is going to sort them out, just him and his trusty GPMG, in five minutes flat and then be home in time for tea and a couple of verses of God Save the Queen.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2021 20:17:01 GMT
And alleged sexual assault.
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Post by Danno on Oct 28, 2021 21:06:21 GMT
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Post by Rodderz on Oct 28, 2021 21:24:27 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Oct 28, 2021 21:26:12 GMT
"Troubles? They were barely an inconvenience!"
Probably some Tory cunt.
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Post by Danno on Oct 28, 2021 21:34:02 GMT
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 28, 2021 21:57:37 GMT
ALLEGED L L E G E D (rapist gammon) So you learned of the secret and decided to keep it all for yourself |
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Post by Danno on Oct 28, 2021 22:00:45 GMT
It wasn't much of a secret tbh
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Oct 29, 2021 5:06:16 GMT
Danny Dorling is one of the more enlightening and fun voices on that topic. Haven't looked through the whole thread, so apologies in case he has already been mentioned.
"Rule Britannia" was a good read and this here video is probably my favourite talk by him.
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Post by imamazed on Oct 29, 2021 8:31:14 GMT
Im not Scottish but imagine most people would answer ‘we share a border with a nation of cunts’ Ha! Well, maaaaaaaaybe. Though I have grown somewhat vaguely fond of my wife, and her family. To a certain extent. I think what I'm really interested in is why those who are perhaps not minded to support Scottish independence genuinely fear that the unionist side might end up losing the debate were another vote to come around. The obvious reasons are, of course, pretty ... obvious. But those have presumably not swayed the many who are still against the idea, so I'd be keen to understand why those individuals still worry that it will have shifted enough of public opinion to change the outcome from 2014. Well the simple reason I worry is that the polling is trending that way in the last few years, in a way that hasn't been seen before. True that No currently has a slight lead, but the overall trend doesn't look good. As to the reasons why more Scottish people might vote Yes - that's harder to pin down for sure, but I think the EU referendum and how the result has been implemented has drawn more attention to our centralised system. And, the non-delivery of devo-max has probably frustrated a lot of people who last time around were on the edge or were reluctant No voters. Also, in 2014 there was the fear of voting uncertainty or chaos, but now the UK is in a cycle of endless crises, so why wouldn't you say Fuck it and roll the dice again? This is all conjecture really, but it might explain the change in polling and I only see those trends continuing long term. |
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