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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 8, 2023 9:57:13 GMT
100 people total?
That seems worth setting the precedent of neutering judicial oversight and removing human rights
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Post by peekconfusion on Dec 8, 2023 9:57:44 GMT
Is the 100 people bit for real? Makes me wonder who of their mates is getting fat(ter) of the government contracts.
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geefe
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Post by geefe on Dec 8, 2023 9:59:29 GMT
Haha wtf? Amazing. Labour need to hammer that point.
Amazing in the sense of how stupid it is. Not amazing that it's my fucking money.
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Post by apollo on Dec 8, 2023 10:32:01 GMT
The new treaty is dog shit, even if you want to send people to Rwanda. - Rwanda will take up to a hundred people - UK has to also accept refugees from Rwanda - UK has to pay all housing/food costs for each person for 5 years - Rwanda can send people back for any crime immediately Etc. It literally is costing 2.5 million squid at a minimum per person. Thats a terrible deal but of course its done by the tories. The Rwanda gov can just send people back saying they commited a crime, "trust us bro" |
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Dec 8, 2023 10:48:16 GMT
It's all about the optics for the TLDR constituent of Tory voters.
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Post by technoish on Dec 8, 2023 10:50:31 GMT
Starmer made all those points at PMQs.
Response: yeah but what are Labour doing?
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Post by rockavitch on Dec 8, 2023 10:53:56 GMT
I thought it was they could take 100 people a year, still incredibly shit but maybe I misunderstood.
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 8, 2023 10:53:57 GMT
What the Labour Party aren't doing is spunking hundreds of millions of pounds to achieve absolutely fuck all other than make this country look even worse that it already does.
The Conservative Party needs to become a prohibited organisation, they've done more harm to the UK than any terrorist group.
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Post by rhaegyr on Dec 8, 2023 10:56:00 GMT
George Monbiot tore into the Rwanda policy on QT last night - really strong stuff.
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Post by technoish on Dec 8, 2023 11:01:45 GMT
I don't think Labour need to do very much on this. Tory party currently pulling itself apart.
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 8, 2023 11:02:23 GMT
If Rwanda is so great why do we have to pay them anything? I get maybe we’d cover the labour costs and some facilities but what’s the rest for?
This government love throwing our money away. Just wondering which Tory donor is making money out of this one.
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Post by DJCopa on Dec 8, 2023 11:02:26 GMT
George Monbiot tore into the Rwanda policy on QT last night - really strong stuff. He was good, I thought. Mercer didn't have a real reply. The thing that always gets me, is when they (in this case Hitchens) look all smug about people coming from France as that's a safe country. In that respect, UK being an island, nobody can get here legally unless they fly. And they've closed down most of those safe routes, i believe, so it's all bollocks (plus Hitchens not mentioning that asylum seekers can choose their destination). |
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 8, 2023 11:07:29 GMT
Problem there is they don’t understand the law and just go on about immigrants are supposed to live in the first safe country. It’s nonsense and if they thought about it for a few seconds might realise it’s ridiculous to believe that.
Also didn’t realise Mercer was such a massive cunt. He seemed like one of the better ones with his position on ex forces people but no, he’s as bad as the rest of them.
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Post by Vandelay on Dec 8, 2023 11:09:07 GMT
Rwanda can send people back for any crime immediately Also worth noting that this is a country where it is illegal to photograph a government building. If you were a refugee that really wanted to get to the UK and you were unlucky enough to be one of the very few that get sent to Rwanda, you wouldn't have to do anything too egregious to get sent back. On the numbers, I had heard 200 a year, but sounds like it is all a bit of a "it depends.." situation. I heard that the absolute most is 500 a year. We have had something like 28,000 arrive in small boats this year... |
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Post by mothercruncher on Dec 8, 2023 11:10:25 GMT
Conservatives are the party of fiscal responsibility so I’m positive there must be a sound plan behind the 2.5 mill per person.
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Post by DJCopa on Dec 8, 2023 11:10:36 GMT
He is, goes against the Tory grain every now and then but ultimately plays his 'ex-forces' card far too often and is a general wanker.
His wife seems 'nice' too.
Edit @reviewer
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 8, 2023 11:12:03 GMT
Weird how the small boats issue has become a massive issue since we left the EU, I wonder if they're linked? I'm being sarcastic, it certainly is. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 8, 2023 11:13:55 GMT
Conservatives are the party of fiscal responsibility so I’m positive there must be a sound plan behind the 2.5 mill per person. I'm continually amazed that they've continued to peddle this myth and people ACTIVELY believe it. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Dec 8, 2023 11:14:23 GMT
www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-67655718So basically, what the bill does is say that Rwanda is safe regardless of whether Rwanda is safe? Surely a much more efficient approach would be to introduce a bill that compels judges to treat the government as right, regardless of whether the government is right. Would save a lot of time. The bill in a nutshell  |
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Post by DJCopa on Dec 8, 2023 11:16:04 GMT
Make Ukraine a safe country and the war ends, simple.
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 8, 2023 11:31:37 GMT
I’m no legal expert but I’m sure the government can’t put things in bills that say the law can’t challenge them. That seems extraordinary and, if true, amazing that’s not on loads of bills.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 8, 2023 11:33:11 GMT
It's essentially "no backsies x INFINITY".
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 8, 2023 11:48:34 GMT
Rwanda threatening to tear up the agreement is still the funniest thing about the whole thing, Sunak could have destroyed what little of his authority he has and then Kigali says "sorry mate but that's too much for us" and they cancel it.
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Post by Danno on Dec 8, 2023 12:03:17 GMT
The new treaty is dog shit, even if you want to send people to Rwanda. - Rwanda will take up to a hundred people - UK has to also accept refugees from Rwanda - UK has to pay all housing/food costs for each person for 5 years - Rwanda can send people back for any crime immediately Etc. It literally is costing 2.5 million squid at a minimum per person. Or £96million per Home Secretary (but those cunts keep coming back from there as well) |
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Post by gibroon on Dec 8, 2023 12:05:46 GMT
If Rwanda is so great why do we have to pay them anything? I get maybe we’d cover the labour costs and some facilities but what’s the rest for? This government love throwing our money away. Just wondering which Tory donor is making money out of this one. I thought that Braverman has links with Rwanda and this is where it all started from? I could be wrong but I was sure there are links with her and husband. |
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 8, 2023 12:13:18 GMT
Yesterday's "The News Agents" is quite entertaining as all three of them can't believe how bad Sunak was at his press conference and the whole policy. www.globalplayer.com/podcasts/episodes/7DrhaUe/Charles Walker knows the game is up after that discussion but he's still a fucking twat. |
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Post by elstoof on Dec 8, 2023 12:16:12 GMT
If Rwanda is so great why do we have to pay them anything? I get maybe we’d cover the labour costs and some facilities but what’s the rest for? This government love throwing our money away. Just wondering which Tory donor is making money out of this one. I thought that Braverman has links with Rwanda and this is where it all started from? I could be wrong but I was sure there are links with her and husband. The plan began with priti Patel in charge, so no |
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Dec 8, 2023 12:17:23 GMT
It started as an Alexander Boris DePfeffel Johnson and Priti Patel, largely throw away policy to distract from some scandal, dunno which, pick your favourite.
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Post by gibroon on Dec 8, 2023 12:18:57 GMT
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Post by elstoof on Dec 8, 2023 12:40:11 GMT
As evil as she is, I don’t believe she had the foresight to set up a charity to train lawyers across Africa with the aim of one day having a puppet in place on the off chance she might become an MP and eventually inherit a Rwandan deal from her predecessor in the home office. More likely a way to pay yourself some extra cash in the short term, plus her parents emigrated from Africa so she could look authentically altruistic doing it. shes certainly no stranger to dodgy deals though  |
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