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Post by Dougs on Dec 4, 2023 21:53:27 GMT
It's going to absolutely screw over a whole load of returning ex-pats with their non-British wives.
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Post by geefe on Dec 4, 2023 22:40:01 GMT
That photo is something else.
I know people say "Corbyn can't have been worse" but that photo reeeeally makes a strong case for the against column.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Dec 4, 2023 22:42:13 GMT
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Post by stuz359 on Dec 4, 2023 22:54:30 GMT
It's the politicians fallacy, 'We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.'
It's amazing how politicians can actually hold two completely contradictory thoughts in their head at the same time.
The current government and the incumbent one both believe in economic growth and limiting immigration in a country where the birth rate is below replacement rates.
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Post by X201 on Dec 4, 2023 23:10:17 GMT
It's amazing how politicians can actually hold two completely contradictory thoughts in their head at the same time. My dog has four legs. My cat has four legs. Therefore my dog is a cat. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Dec 4, 2023 23:32:28 GMT
It's amazing how politicians can actually hold two completely contradictory thoughts in their head at the same time. My dog has four legs. My cat has four legs. Therefore my dog is a cat. "Man is a featherless biped animal" *Diogenes grabs a plucked chicken* "Behold, Plato's 'Man'!" |
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Post by knighty on Dec 4, 2023 23:36:21 GMT
If I had two masters and didn’t earn 39k I’d be pretty pissed off, not sure I’d even want to stay!
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Post by gray on Dec 4, 2023 23:49:44 GMT
Aye, I feel a lot of people outside of the South East are in for a shock when they find out people on £39k struggle with basic living expenses.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 5, 2023 0:12:40 GMT
Is this same British talent that is rushing to work for the NHS. Oh wait. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 5, 2023 2:07:44 GMT
It's going to absolutely screw over a whole load of returning ex-pats with their non-British wives. We've already been screwed for years. I hope this doesn't screw us even more. It probably will. There are two ways to meet the requirements, salary or savings, and the savings requirements were already very high. I hope those don't go up even more. Have they still not made the requirements regional? Because it basically means you have to live somewhere like London to be able to meet the salary requirements, but then the housing costs make that impossible. I'm sure one of the arguments for Brexit was that we'd be able to limit all those uncontrolled migrants from inside the EU, so that'd allow fairer rules for non-EU migrants, such as spouses. That never happened! |
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Post by technoish on Dec 5, 2023 2:50:50 GMT
The home secretary said the plans will help give the "biggest ever reduction in net migration",
As if that is such an achievement. Just make the number bigger and the reduction will go down further. The actual cleverly thing to do is set our what number we need, and how the proposed policy matches up.
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Post by X201 on Dec 5, 2023 5:27:20 GMT
Given how spectacularly they’ve missed the numbers they promised; no political party will ever again put a specific number on it.
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Post by Dougs on Dec 5, 2023 6:22:13 GMT
The replies to this sort of post are just disgusting. Makes me ashamed that some people think like this - bots and trolls notwithstanding etc.
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Post by geefe on Dec 5, 2023 7:38:13 GMT
MP married to a foreign doctor sounded pretty sweaty this morning on the radio as he batted questions about it. Even he didn't sound convinced by this.
Yes, immigration adds pressure to public services but...
- you underfund them already
- you expect Brits to do the job but charge them to train to do it
- you aren't providing the wages or the support for British people to do the jobs, either
So, even if all the immigrants stop, it'll just collapse anyway. In this scenario, the solution is probably DON'T GET ILL
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Post by elstoof on Dec 5, 2023 7:38:39 GMT
It’ll no doubt get embarrasingly rolled back in short order, but fuck this fucking country
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Post by elstoof on Dec 5, 2023 7:40:49 GMT
Also those on spouse visas aren’t entitled to free NHS
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Post by simple on Dec 5, 2023 7:46:30 GMT
My last ex had to leave because she couldn’t make £20k working in a supervisory role in local govt thanks to austerity cuts. There’s no way the new earnings proposal could possibly work, you’d effectively remove an entire tier of the working population with no one willing to replace it. If I had two masters and didn’t earn 39k I’d be pretty pissed off, not sure I’d even want to stay! Welcome to a career in the education sector |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 5, 2023 7:46:44 GMT
You have to pay like 500quid to get NHS access, right?
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"It is £624 per year for all other visa applicants
Since most people migrate to the UK under a 5 years visa, for example the Skilled Worker Visa, applicants can expect to pay £3,120 in addition to all their admin and registration fees."
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Post by Dougs on Dec 5, 2023 8:06:41 GMT
It’ll no doubt get embarrasingly rolled back in short order, but fuck this fucking country Or not. I get that this is another one of those despicable policies that Labour are a bit damned if you do, damned if you don't. But to actively support this? Get. To. Fuck. |
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Post by Vandelay on Dec 5, 2023 8:18:58 GMT
It’ll no doubt get embarrasingly rolled back in short order, but fuck this fucking country My guess is that they hope that they will be able to keep it in place until a Labour government and then they can use it as a soft on immigration stick to beat them with. Edit: hadn't seen the above when posting *sigh* |
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Post by simple on Dec 5, 2023 8:28:59 GMT
There was a Lib Dem on Question Time last week getting hammered by Fiona Bruce for saying the desirable level of immigration was that which meets the needs of the country. Bruce was piling in over and over demanding to know why the LD wouldn’t say immigration was too high or how they’d reduce it.
It was a pretty miserable display of where the “debate” sits right now.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Dec 5, 2023 8:29:31 GMT
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Post by geefe on Dec 5, 2023 8:31:09 GMT
Ahhh Fiona Bruce, that famously non-immigrant woman born in....Singapore.
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Post by simple on Dec 5, 2023 8:31:59 GMT
Oh no, not consequences! Who could have foreseen such a thing?! |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 5, 2023 8:32:44 GMT
It's going to absolutely screw over a whole load of returning ex-pats with their non-British wives. Separating families ‘not conservative’ when it happens to someone this absolute piece of shit knows |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 5, 2023 8:33:11 GMT
Jinx
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 5, 2023 8:43:09 GMT
I haven't read all the details, if they're even available yet, but if it's as the headline state and it applies to me then basically we're locked out of coming back to the UK.  It was hard enough with the previous requirements. I wonder if you phrased it "Should British people be allowed to marry people from other countries, or should this right be limited to the rich?" how many people would vote for it. |
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Post by senso on Dec 5, 2023 9:08:18 GMT
This new immigration plan has got that cunt Jenrick's slimy hands all over it. No way Cleverly, barely a few weeks into the new role, drafted these policies like this (not that I am giving him a pass for this, he;'s still a twat). Goes to to show how much of a disarray the current government are in that ministers will just force through their ideas just to win favour with the right.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 5, 2023 9:10:56 GMT
It is funny. They cant do anything about migration other than turn the taps off for lower skilled workers...... who have skills we are absolutely desperate for
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 5, 2023 9:34:00 GMT
This country doesn't have a government any longer it's just a headline generating machine that will say any old shit to try and move the needle in the polls and it's not working. Time for the manatees to be set free.
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