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Post by clemfandango on Nov 29, 2023 13:42:04 GMT
It's written into law that the British Museum can't 'dispose' of its artefacts, but the wind is changing and a 'loan' or similar seems to be the sensible option. If it was a chunk of Stonehenge sitting in a foreign museum, the Tories would be losing their shit! 'chunk of stonehenge' Even our ancient artifacts are shite compared to the rest of the world.... |
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Post by DJCopa on Nov 29, 2023 13:43:38 GMT
Why bother to create when you can just take...
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 29, 2023 13:45:59 GMT
Generally the Elgin Marbles is the ultimate slow news day issue so it’s a little surprising to see it be a thing at the moment with so much else going on. I think the British Museum in general needs a significant rethink. It’s literally a huge celebration of colonisation and theft of significant cultural items. The Marbles are the tip of the iceberg. I think you'll find we invented and made those marbles here with British ingenuity. The Crown Jewels too. We dug up them outside Buckingham Palace. True story. |
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Post by Lukus on Nov 29, 2023 13:47:42 GMT
It's written into law that the British Museum can't 'dispose' of its artefacts, but the wind is changing and a 'loan' or similar seems to be the sensible option. If it was a chunk of Stonehenge sitting in a foreign museum, the Tories would be losing their shit! 'chunk of stonehenge' Even our ancient artifacts are shite compared to the rest of the world.... To be fair, Stonehenge does pre-date the marbles by about 2000 years. |
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Post by Lukus on Nov 29, 2023 13:51:29 GMT
Obviously the correct response is to send ALL the marbled stuff we can lay hands on. IF YOU LOVE MARBLES SO MUCH, HAVE THIS
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 29, 2023 13:52:37 GMT
Obviously the correct response is to send ALL the marbled stuff we can lay hands on. IF YOU LOVE MARBLES SO MUCH, HAVE THIS I've got some cats eyes and Emperors I can send them. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 29, 2023 13:54:02 GMT
Why bother to create when you can just take... Quoth Penny Arcade: "Being the 'first stealer' is only a step away from true creation." |
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Post by geefe on Nov 29, 2023 13:54:54 GMT
The dig at Cleverly was great. Proper riled him in a "get my wife's name out of your mouth" way.
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Post by simple on Nov 29, 2023 15:31:45 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 29, 2023 15:42:02 GMT
As it is a Labour council, I expect the reflection won't get much further than "this is good ammo for our election campaign".
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Post by rhaegyr on Nov 29, 2023 15:43:34 GMT
It's obvious - they're both run by Labour. No doubt it'll be brought up next week in PMQs.
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Post by DJCopa on Nov 29, 2023 15:55:45 GMT
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Post by clemfandango on Nov 29, 2023 16:11:19 GMT
'chunk of stonehenge' Even our ancient artifacts are shite compared to the rest of the world.... To be fair, Stonehenge does pre-date the marbles by about 2000 years. Stonehenge is about the same date as the Sphinx though so my joke still stands :-) |
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Post by simple on Nov 29, 2023 16:33:52 GMT
Lets not forget that this government want to drill a massive road tunnel under the ritual landscape around stonehenge, so why would they respect a forrin monument?
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Post by Lukus on Nov 29, 2023 16:45:43 GMT
To be fair, Stonehenge does pre-date the marbles by about 2000 years. Stonehenge is about the same date as the Sphinx though so my joke still stands :-) It's easy to make stuff out of sand when you've got a million unpaid 'laborers'. Goal posts made out of solid rock. That's where it's at. Really though, I do kind of thing Stonehenge is a bit meh. |
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Post by geefe on Nov 29, 2023 17:08:21 GMT
Nah, great song.
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Post by geefe on Nov 29, 2023 17:09:12 GMT
On topic - I really don't think the Tories will have much success with "those councils collapsed because Labour"
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 29, 2023 17:20:21 GMT
Really though, I do kind of thing Stonehenge is a bit meh. They're not meh they're menhir. |
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Post by zephro on Nov 29, 2023 20:09:16 GMT
I do find the Parthenon friezes stuff a bit weird. As most the stuff at the British Museum isn't stolen but was purchased (Benin Bronzes being on the list that was definitely stolen). It's now gotten into the discourse that the place is just full of loot which is weird. You could always create a law to repatriate stuff that was blatantly nicked and it still, probably, wouldn't cover the marbles.
Though weirdly George Osbourne basically making everyone shut up by arranging some shared loan system seems like the neatest side step. Just put some plaster of paris fakes up instead, like Dippy at the Natural History Museum.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 29, 2023 20:14:19 GMT
The sale of the marbles to Elgin is on the dubious side and it was purchase made to the Ottoman Empire who had conquered Greece so it's hardly like the Greeks said "yeah go on, take bits of something from our capital as you've paid for it."
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Post by zephro on Nov 29, 2023 20:24:37 GMT
It's more that it would hold legally so you'd have to write a weird ass law to disapply various rules around legal ownership.
And the English aren't the celts (or probably beaker peoples) so what the fuck are they doing owning Stone Henge? Or literally any of the land. Or all those posh fucks descended from Normans who basically own everything, give it back to the Welsh. Turns out a lot of legal precedent on ownership is just being in possession of shit. So signing a contract with the government who'd "owned" it for 300-350 years will turn out to be good enough.
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Post by Dougs on Nov 29, 2023 20:43:28 GMT
Possession is 9/10 of the law and all that.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 29, 2023 20:47:34 GMT
I do like the ‘bound by law’ thing from this particular government
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Post by Dougs on Nov 29, 2023 20:50:32 GMT
Twitter celeb lawyer David Allen Green has many a post about how things cannot be "enshrined in law". (although I admit to writing speeches with that phrase in as Ministers like it).
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Post by Rich on Nov 29, 2023 20:52:39 GMT
Yes, I'm fairly certain I remember them in the distant past of two weeks ago saying it would be ok to change or just ignore laws where necessary. 🤔
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Post by geefe on Nov 29, 2023 23:05:44 GMT
They're Greek, we've had them for ages and there's plenty of other shit you can put in the museum, so send it back to Greece
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Post by minimatt on Nov 29, 2023 23:09:54 GMT
plus it's cheaper to get a flight to athens than a train to london
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Post by geefe on Nov 29, 2023 23:26:01 GMT
More reliable, too. Even with the wildfires.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Nov 29, 2023 23:40:07 GMT
The good news is that the Greeks have taken it well
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 29, 2023 23:49:05 GMT
I regularly say part of that sentence whenever I see Sunak so maybe I'm a little bit Greek?
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