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Post by Danno on Nov 21, 2023 23:50:48 GMT
We've been over this not too long ago, but I will say again it is deeply sad that people would find their lives empty without working and it shows something really fucked up about our society. Sure, people make friends through work. I would much rather have the time I would be at work spent meeting people through clubs, classes or other gatherings though, where the people are much more likely to actually have similar interests to me. I have a lot to say about this but I'm not in a good spot |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Nov 22, 2023 1:01:30 GMT
There’s rumours they are going to force us back into the office soon. I don’t know how they are going to manage it. We have such a widespread workforce now, less office space and someone just won a tribunal for being managed out after their boss tried to get them back in based on feelings not facts (they couldn’t provide a single metric that said her performance suffered at home). The problem is that it is fundamentally a pay cut. At best travel and subsistence and at worst that and childcare costs. The lease on my new motor won’t cover more than a couple of days a week so they can fuck themselves if it’s any more than that. I'm surprised you're not already on a 3 In 2 wfh. Seems to be the standard in the industry, Though I think they're going to push for a 4-1 in the future. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 22, 2023 1:18:28 GMT
I have discovered that the solution to getting me to go to the office is pizza.
Pizza parties = I'll be there.
Anything else = can never quite face the commute.
Maybe the government should try pizza as in incentive for all those lazy sick people.
Of course, if I go to the office on other days than pizza party days then I'm usually the only one in the dept there, and so all the meetings are remote anyway.
That said, it's very easy to fall into student/veg mode and just never go out of the house and spend the whole time looking at screens.
I also think there's some truth in the idea that work can be part of your identity, self-worth, etc.. as it does seem pretty true that people live longer if they keep working longer.
That's not to say it couldn't be replaced by hobbies or interests if you had the free time and money, but it's one of those nice ideas that is actually much harder to implement in reality.
After all, in the Star Trek universe they have unlimited resources, replicators, teleporters, warp drives, etc... and yet the most important piece of technology is clearly the Netflix Holodeck, since they just spend all their bloody time messing around in there instead of actually doing anything or going somewhere.
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Post by mothercruncher on Nov 22, 2023 7:07:27 GMT
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 22, 2023 7:33:44 GMT
With the way things are going recently, I'm thankful they didn't get 10 years!
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Post by mrpon on Nov 22, 2023 7:53:32 GMT
Oh, no. But then I don't think I'd go out with anyone that lives near me or I'd cross paths with a lot. They'd have to properly be vetted, in case it goes tits up. I'd want to know them for a good while beforehand. job. |
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 22, 2023 7:54:54 GMT
Remember if you were planning to off any very rich relatives today to inherit their wealth, probably be an idea to put that off for a little while.
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Post by simple on Nov 22, 2023 8:06:15 GMT
My work would like us in full time, but they also reduced the office seating capacity, removed the desktop PCs and gave us all laptops so we could work more freely.
Also, I went out with someone from my old work for ages and it was great (until she moved away and we broke up).
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Post by dfunked on Nov 22, 2023 8:14:01 GMT
There’s rumours they are going to force us back into the office soon. I don’t know how they are going to manage it. We have such a widespread workforce now, less office space and someone just won a tribunal for being managed out after their boss tried to get them back in based on feelings not facts (they couldn’t provide a single metric that said her performance suffered at home). The problem is that it is fundamentally a pay cut. At best travel and subsistence and at worst that and childcare costs. The lease on my new motor won’t cover more than a couple of days a week so they can fuck themselves if it’s any more than that. This is it for me, I took on the job during lockdown and it's further away than I would've liked, but had assurances that it'd remain remote. That went up to officially one day a month just for face to face time with my manager, but I settled on one day a week as that's what the rest of the team seemed to gravitate to. It's 90 minutes door to door on a good day, which I can live with for one day, but now the fuckheads are trying to get people in two days a week without actually changing that one day a month agreement. It's about £35 a day on travel and food, so for me that's effectively a £3.5k+ pay cut and 6+ hours of my life a week that I won't get back. Fuck that noise! Time to brush up the CV. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 22, 2023 8:18:34 GMT
I'm surprised you're not already on a 3 In 2 wfh. Seems to be the standard in the industry, Though I think they're going to push for a 4-1 in the future. They would have by now but the logistics have seemingly proved very difficult because we aren’t London based and it’s based on the CEOs fee-fees rather than actual data, so they are worried they are going sued into oblivion. One rumour is that it’s going to be partly contract based so if you joined after remote working you’ll be at least partially exempt. I moved jobs in 2021 so I’m hoping that counts. Punishing long service does seem cuntish, though. |
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Post by geefe on Nov 22, 2023 8:33:33 GMT
My grandparents retired around 2006, when they were in their late 50s/ early 60s. They have some property that keeps money coming in and they're still going strong.
The idea that work keeps you alive seems to be confused with the fact that structure and doing shit keeps you alive. Both grandparents are active, eat healthy, make plans. They haven't fundamentally altered their lifestyles.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 22, 2023 8:44:56 GMT
I think one reason people have disengaged is that there is indeed no such thing as a job for life anymore and work is a constant churn. At work we do a ‘sentiment tracker’ survey every month and the scores just keep getting worse.
Personally, it’s because we are constantly under a change program, an efficiency program, a new target operating model or a cost reduction initiative so it always feels like your neck is on the block. How are you going to give a shit about your job with all that permanently going on?
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Nov 22, 2023 9:07:37 GMT
That's one thing I'm enjoying about contracting, being completely distanced from the employee engagement side of things. And not being part of a reporting line structure so no line management. And not having to train others. And only chosing WFH contracts.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 22, 2023 9:21:40 GMT
The mrs was laughing at me a few weeks ago. I spent an entire week doing mid-year reviews and, as a contractor of 10+ years, she hasnt done any of that shit in over a decade. If her performance is bad, they stop hiring her. Pretty simple rules.
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Post by simple on Nov 22, 2023 9:24:10 GMT
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Post by brokenkey on Nov 22, 2023 11:50:46 GMT
If they are going to hand out huge sentences for protesting and causing disruption, they should do the same for anyone whose car breaks down and causes a traffic jam.
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Post by Dougs on Nov 22, 2023 12:02:18 GMT
There’s rumours they are going to force us back into the office soon. I don’t know how they are going to manage it. We have such a widespread workforce now, less office space and someone just won a tribunal for being managed out after their boss tried to get them back in based on feelings not facts (they couldn’t provide a single metric that said her performance suffered at home). The problem is that it is fundamentally a pay cut. At best travel and subsistence and at worst that and childcare costs. The lease on my new motor won’t cover more than a couple of days a week so they can fuck themselves if it’s any more than that. Civil Service have said 60% in the office. Only for most depts to admit that they don't have enough desks for that. My guess is that there will be a minor flurry and then it'll all die down again. I might make the effort for every other week. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 22, 2023 12:29:34 GMT
Ive been going in once or twice a month. We have a management day that only I ever seem to make it to but its nice to get out and it makes a change from having sandwiches and a bag of crisps for lunch.
I dont mind going in as such, I did it for years, but I do object to it being completely arbitrary. Like what the fuck is the point in going in if the rest of my team are sat in admin centers in manchester, sheffield and edinburgh?
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 22, 2023 12:47:19 GMT
I'm doing once a week. I don't really need to do that and no one is telling me to, but it is good to have a bit of a change of scene once in a while and I occasionally see people I know. My work is fairly independent though and the majority of people I liaise with are external to our organisation and talk to virtually whether I'm in or not, so I don't have to be doing this at all.
Not going in means I regain at least 3 hours to my day without the commute (public transport, so I at least can read a book or use the Steam Deck, but still would rather not do that on a train). It really is a no brainer for work/life balance to not go in.
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Post by Dougs on Nov 22, 2023 12:52:36 GMT
Yep. I don't think it's fair to demand my team are in on the days I am in (even if they are London based). So inevitably spend moat of the day on video calls anyway.
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Post by cubby on Nov 22, 2023 13:09:53 GMT
And here's muggins who never got to wfh even during the pandemic...
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Post by gibroon on Nov 22, 2023 13:13:50 GMT
And here's muggins who never got to wfh even during the pandemic... Yeah, my eyes are welling up for those poor folk that have to go to work twice a week. It's almost like people forgot how they lived pre-covid. I've been in the workplace all through covid as well as the other 50 folk here. Where are our remuneration for travelling to work every day? |
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Post by Youthist on Nov 22, 2023 13:17:02 GMT
I always with my team just told them (way before Covid too) - and in these words - I don't actually give a fuck where you are on any single day, what time you start, or finish, or what other shit you have going on day to day - just get your job done and deliver the value we need so we are successful. It went down well.
A couple of them would sometimes ping me with shit like "I need to drop out at 1pm to go to a doctor appointment" or some other noise. I would have to remind them that them telling me was wasting both their time and mine.
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Post by rhaegyr on Nov 22, 2023 13:27:23 GMT
Can you come manage my place?
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Post by Dougs on Nov 22, 2023 13:57:40 GMT
I always with my team just told them (way before Covid too) - and in these words - I don't actually give a fuck where you are on any single day, what time you start, or finish, or what other shit you have going on day to day - just get your job done and deliver the value we need so we are successful. It went down well. A couple of them would sometimes ping me with shit like "I need to drop out at 1pm to go to a doctor appointment" or some other noise. I would have to remind them that them telling me was wasting both their time and mine. Who knew that being flexible and treating people like grown ups pays dividends? So maddening. Not actually had a problem in the 24 years in central government, but local office was a different beast altogether. |
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Post by technoish on Nov 22, 2023 13:58:28 GMT
There’s rumours they are going to force us back into the office soon. I don’t know how they are going to manage it. We have such a widespread workforce now, less office space and someone just won a tribunal for being managed out after their boss tried to get them back in based on feelings not facts (they couldn’t provide a single metric that said her performance suffered at home). The problem is that it is fundamentally a pay cut. At best travel and subsistence and at worst that and childcare costs. The lease on my new motor won’t cover more than a couple of days a week so they can fuck themselves if it’s any more than that. Civil Service have said 60% in the office. Only for most depts to admit that they don't have enough desks for that. My guess is that there will be a minor flurry and then it'll all die down again. I might make the effort for every other week. I wish they'd just give this stuff a date. Or tackle the lack of desk issues somewhat by asking groups to manage days across the week, so it's not only everybody in on Tue-Wed-Thu. I'd say my team is now averaging over 60%. I note that as a "senior manager" I'm now supposed to be doing more than 60%. |
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Nov 22, 2023 14:34:26 GMT
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Post by Youthist on Nov 22, 2023 15:00:00 GMT
Bit of a stretch. Loads of voices and a barely discernible noise in the throng that sounds a tiny bit like "shit-ter" or something.
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Post by simple on Nov 22, 2023 15:01:55 GMT
Also, y’know, it is Stockton . . .
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 22, 2023 15:34:09 GMT
I always with my team just told them (way before Covid too) - and in these words - I don't actually give a fuck where you are on any single day, what time you start, or finish, or what other shit you have going on day to day - just get your job done and deliver the value we need so we are successful. It went down well. A couple of them would sometimes ping me with shit like "I need to drop out at 1pm to go to a doctor appointment" or some other noise. I would have to remind them that them telling me was wasting both their time and mine. So when are you making your bid for PM? You'll certainly do better than the vast majority of the current morons (low bars, etc) |
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