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Post by X201 on Nov 9, 2023 12:56:40 GMT
"It's not even really a code, it's more a set of guidelines than a binding ethos"
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Post by grey_matters on Nov 9, 2023 13:02:50 GMT
"It's not even really a code, it's more a set of guidelines than a binding ethos" "It's not even really a set of guidelines, it's more a collection of things you think you can get away with". |
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Post by gamingdave on Nov 9, 2023 13:04:31 GMT
She wants to get sacked. She wants there to be trouble on Saturday. Then she can say I told you so, and project herself as the solution to a weak Sunak and become even more hardline.
Sunak should be fucked either way - he's enabled her and allowed her to spew her vile rhetoric. He should never have given her the job in the first place, and should have sacked her multiple times already but hasn't. All of that is ammunition against him.
Of course, should any blame come his way from the media or opposition, he will just lie, gaslight, or ignore it and continue as normal which is utterly depressing.
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Post by apollo on Nov 9, 2023 13:11:48 GMT
Sadly there is likely to be trouble on saturday, Pro Hamas signs, anti semitism from a small number in the large crowd but people put their blinkers on when the large majority does nothing about the pro hamas signs (but they will attack another protestor if they have "hamas are terrorist sign" or LGBT flag - there is actually videos of that)
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Post by zephro on Nov 9, 2023 13:30:34 GMT
I presume there's also a clause in the Ministerial and Parliamentary codes of conducts about upholding the independence of the legal system and the police. Though it might be loosely worded as "public life". May almost lost against fucking Corbyn, Truss would lose, Sunak is going to lose. If it wasn't for Boris, they'd have been booted years ago. To be fair to May, the dislike of Corbyn didn't really set in until the 2019 election. When it came to 2017, a lot of people, particularly the young, were excited about his message, something that had disappeared by 2019 for anyone but the diehards. And Johnson is not the big vote winner that everyone likes to claim he is. His big game plan was basically to lie about being able to solve Brexit easily and a lot of people were so fed up with everything that had gone on in the past few years that they lapped up the easy answer he presented. Even some of those that voted remain wanted it over and probably voted for him. Without Brexit or without Corbyn, I don't think he would have won. The myth of him being an election winner mostly seems to come from the fact that he runs away from votes if it looks like he won't win and only hangs about if he is certain to win. As for the future, I feel confident in saying Labour will win in 2024 and really it just comes down to how big the majority will be. After that though is anyone's guess and I almost feel it doesn't matter who they are up against. If after 4/5 years of Labour our economy is still in the toilet, then I feel whoever is charge of the Tories will be walking into No. 10. With the state of their membership, I fully expect it to be a loon. On it being a 1 term government. It depends on 2 things; the size of the majority and how much "back to normal" politics gets. The tendency, or a feature, of our FPTP system is that big majorities "usually" erode over time. The exceptions being political instability, where you either have minority governments, coalitions or rapid changes of leader without elections. So the last 10 years, the 70s after the oil shock or the 1900s during the Irish Home Rule crisis. Even then often it's rapid changes of leadership within the governing party like recently. Plus the date of the election is the gift of the PM. If Labour get a big enough majority a middling first term would likely only see an erosion rather than a massive 20% swing you'd need. It's a difference with the US where all Presidential elections seem to be on a knife edge of Electoral College votes all the time, they're kind of in perma-crisis. Or the EU where PR throws up coalition governments so much the ins and outs kind of change every single cycle. |
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Post by Rich on Nov 9, 2023 13:49:31 GMT
Sunak's own weakness has put him in a lose/lose situation re Braverman now. Sack her and he's giving in to those who've been telling him to do it for ages. And she'll accuse him of being weak and woke some nonsense like that.
Don't and he's allowing her to openly defy him. Again.
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Post by geefe on Nov 9, 2023 14:00:42 GMT
I think it can be done in a way that makes him look strong but he isn't capable
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Post by rawshark on Nov 9, 2023 14:03:09 GMT
Sack her and say you should have done it ages ago. I dare you, you shrunken pussy.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 9, 2023 14:05:11 GMT
Only way Sunak can look strong in getting rid of Braverman now is to gut her with a Bat'leth, not sure he could even lift one.
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 9, 2023 14:12:23 GMT
The fact No. 10 have openly said they didn't approve the article means she surely can't be holding her position much longer. They have basically told everyone she broke ministerial code. Yes, they often squirm their way around those codes, but that is a pretty blatant breach. They could have easily said something along the lines of "We wouldn't use those words, but [insert whatever waffle you want that doesn't really say anything]. PM is working closely with the Home Secretary." Instead, they are making it fairly clear that they do not agree with each other and that she is out of line.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 9, 2023 14:25:22 GMT
Apparently No 10 wanted changes and she didn't change it, yeah time to go Sue-Ellen.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 9, 2023 14:41:09 GMT
The Met vs. Suella Braverman seems like one of those contests you'd like to see both sides lose: a police force riddled with prejudice and corruption vs. the most mean-spirited, hateful, and downright vindictive home secretary I've seen in my lifetime.
Saying it feels dirty - and not in a good way - but I'm with the Met on this one.
Apparently Cruella can direct the Mayor of London to intervene, but she'd need to satisfy certain criteria in order to do so (and let's face it, she may* be out of a job by then anyway).
* If Sunak can locate his MIA spinal cord within the next 24 hours, on which only a fool would put money.
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Post by askew on Nov 9, 2023 14:55:29 GMT
Im sure she will ‘resign’ claiming she didn’t wish to ‘distract’.
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 9, 2023 15:06:22 GMT
According to Christopher Hope from GBeebies, Tory MPs are getting calls from the whips to see how much they agree with Braverman's article. Guess that means Sunak is trying to gauge what her support would be like if she wanted to cause trouble from the backbenches.
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Post by apollo on Nov 9, 2023 15:15:25 GMT
vs. the most mean-spirited, hateful, and downright vindictive home secretary I've seen in my lifetime. simspons meme: so far,
sure she replaced Patel and people throught was all those things. Sure the tories have worse replacement from the bowels of hell ready to go
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 9, 2023 15:27:50 GMT
apolloIf this government has shown us anything, it's that rock bottom simply doesn't exist for them; accordingly, I can well believe that there's someone even worse than Braverman waiting in the wings. For now, though, I feel pretty confident in saying that she's the worst HS I've ever seen.
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Post by X201 on Nov 9, 2023 15:33:52 GMT
For now, though, I feel pretty confident in saying that she's the worst HS I've ever seen. In a list that also includes Grant Schapps and Priti Patel |
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Post by geefe on Nov 9, 2023 15:36:32 GMT
Home Sec is usually such a non position as well. Look after the police and...err... don't let shit happen?
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Post by Dougs on Nov 9, 2023 15:39:00 GMT
Tbf, the counter-terrorism stuff is quite important too.
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Post by dfunked on Nov 9, 2023 15:41:11 GMT
Not inciting riots is also a good quality to ha... Oh.
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Post by geefe on Nov 9, 2023 15:48:15 GMT
Tbf, the counter-terrorism stuff is quite important too. She counters potential terrorism by inciting other terrorism |
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Post by Rich on Nov 9, 2023 15:48:16 GMT
Home Sec is usually such a non position as well. Look after the police and...err... don't let shit happen? Very wrong. HS is an incredibly important role, encompassing policing and all other elements of the justice system, national security, immigration etc. It's a travesty that such a pathetically small minded individual holds the position and is only using it as a platform for her next job. |
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Post by senso on Nov 9, 2023 15:56:49 GMT
Tbf, cynically using a cabinet job as a platform to move onto bigger things is what this government have been doing all along. Boris wrote the blueprint on how to do it.
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Post by geefe on Nov 9, 2023 15:57:38 GMT
Home Sec is usually such a non position as well. Look after the police and...err... don't let shit happen? Very wrong. HS is an incredibly important role, encompassing policing and all other elements of the justice system, national security, immigration etc. It's a travesty that such a pathetically small minded individual holds the position and is only using it as a platform for her next job. Pfffft. Police do the policing. They're perfectly capable. |
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 9, 2023 16:13:22 GMT
Dr No is going to be around her house soon.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 9, 2023 16:17:59 GMT
Home Secretary is one of the most important positions in government, that's why having such a dangerous wastes of space like Braverman in the position is a bloody terrible reflection of the government.
For fuck's sake she was Attorney General before that and she was a disaster in that role too, she's failed upwards at every stage, she's not fit to be a junior minister in some minor department let alone where she's reached.
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Post by cubby on Nov 9, 2023 16:19:11 GMT
Actually I think you'll find home secretary is a non role, are geefe decreed it.
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Post by zephro on Nov 9, 2023 16:20:54 GMT
Yeah home secretary is one of the 4 Great Offices of State (along with PM, Chancellor and Foreign Secretary).
It's just a sad indictment of the Tories they've filled the office with an absolute arsehole.
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Post by dfunked on Nov 9, 2023 16:22:10 GMT
It's just a sad indictment of the Tories they've filled the office with yet another absolute arsehole. FTFY |
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Post by cubby on Nov 9, 2023 16:31:51 GMT
Tbf I remember Jacqui Smith putting forward weird authoritarian policies under labour. Looking back some of it looks quaint in today's climate but actually you can see the seeds were being sown back then. ID cards and attempting to detain people for up to 42 days without charge.
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