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Post by Reviewer on Nov 6, 2023 13:15:01 GMT
Sounds like a lifestyle choice then.
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 6, 2023 13:31:36 GMT
Honestly, I've often heard that particular US cities are bad for homelessness, but my experience has mostly been them all being fairly bad (I've been to Boston, New York, Washington DC, Atlanta, Memphis, LA and Seattle). Atlanta was probably the worst I've seen, although mostly because the racial divide was really striking, but they all have clearly had a problem (the exception being Boston, which I don't recall seeing much). Our homelessness situation nowadays isn't much better than the US though and I expect the numbers are proportionally similar. I would say I saw just as much in those cities as I would in London now (if anything Seattle this year was probably less than I would see in London). It's absolutely not the case. I just grabbed the San Francisco data as I've seen that myself. So obviously statistics reporting varies, I've gone with rough sleeping. As UK homeless figures include people in temporary shelter provided by the council etc. So rough sleeping is probably what's being discussed and is more comparable due to differences in safety nets across countries. which are per night statistics: So London and England: linkSo on a given night across England it was around 3000 people, London was 858 of that. So London clearly has the worst problem of it in the UK. That's more than doubled from around 400 in 2010. I think there was an all time low in the mid 2000s, before the financial crash under new Labour. Then annual reports for London link it affects 10,000 people a year (difference being not every one of them sleeps rough every night), up from something like 3,500 when the Tories took over. So it's gotten substantially worse, Tories are cunts etc. etc. So reporting area for London is the GLA, so population is 8,796,628. England is somewhere around 56,490,048 (census was a couple years ago) So from San Francisco City & County's own website: link They don't seem to do the same double level of reports as the UK does (e.g. number of people effected in a year vs point in time counts) but the point in time counts are 4-5000 unsheltered homeless people. That's in an administrative area of 808,437 population. I quickly looked up Atlanta, but the government website is unavailable in the EU due to GDPR for some reason, so I found atlantamission.org/understanding-the-problem/ Which seems to imply 700 unsheltered, but doesn't make it clear if that's annual or point in time, plus I cannot be fucked trying to work out which administrative population of Atlanta they mean. As that's some epic suburban sprawl. Obviously there can be some quirks on differences in measurement in different jurisdictions (made worse by US states undoubtably doing things different to one another). But it's orders of magnitude different. Fair enough. We've definitely gotten worse and it is very much noticeable, but sounds like it isn't anywhere near as bad as the US. |
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Post by technoish on Nov 6, 2023 13:44:40 GMT
It's nothing like in US here! We don't have these proper massive tent camps and such.
I'll wager with zero evidence or data that half of the people in US probably there due to healthcare cost bankruptcy.
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 6, 2023 13:45:01 GMT
I am just so thankful that no bleeding heart liberal has offered that lonely sheep a tent to live in.
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Post by Vortex on Nov 6, 2023 14:08:42 GMT
The sheep got rescued, a place to live and will get a haircut thanks to some meddling wishy-washy liberal wokerati.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 6, 2023 14:19:42 GMT
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Post by Zomoniac on Nov 6, 2023 14:35:33 GMT
I did a California road trip last year. Certainly saw plenty of homeless in SF, rough sleeping in parks. They all kept to themselves and never seemed like there’d be any issues arising though, just a lot of people in a shit situation.
San Diego on the other hand, streets lined with tents, people gurning, screaming, standing in the middle of the road shouting gibberish. Homelessness there felt like a lot of intimidating addicts, nothing like San Francisco.
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Post by Dgzter on Nov 6, 2023 15:05:23 GMT
Ha! Well, I'm certainly taken aback that such an odious, morally-bankrupt, duplicitous liar has, in an insane and totally unforeseen twist, been revealed to be an odious, morally-bankrupt, duplicitous liar. She and her husband. Looking forward to BBC Scotland's very careful framing of this, assuming they don't just totally ignore the whole thing, as they've pretty much done up until this point. Much like with Rowling, Mone was basically championed as a prominent face of the No campaign, as well as in her case the Scottish Tories, relentlessly platformed as the "honest, objective voice of business with the people's real interests at heart".  You've got to laugh, really. Right until that point where you're actually physically sick. |
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Post by clemfandango on Nov 6, 2023 15:09:06 GMT
It's nothing like in US here! We don't have these proper massive tent camps and such. I'll wager with zero evidence or data that half of the people in US probably there due to healthcare cost bankruptcy. Quick google check and you are close, its 62%... |
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Post by simple on Nov 6, 2023 16:07:58 GMT
Aren’t Google one of the reasons for the SF insane house prices/homelessness increase?
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Post by geefe on Nov 6, 2023 16:11:04 GMT
I did a California road trip last year. Certainly saw plenty of homeless in SF, rough sleeping in parks. They all kept to themselves and never seemed like there’d be any issues arising though, just a lot of people in a shit situation. San Diego on the other hand, streets lined with tents, people gurning, screaming, standing in the middle of the road shouting gibberish. Homelessness there felt like a lot of intimidating addicts, nothing like San Francisco. Complete tangent - did you stay in motels? I'm considering cycling SF to LA or maybe even Portland to SF. My US friends said do it but like plan to stop more than I think and DON'T sleep rough |
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Post by apollo on Nov 6, 2023 17:51:19 GMT
San Diego on the other hand, streets lined with tents, people gurning, screaming, standing in the middle of the road shouting gibberish. Sounds like glasgow most nights 
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Post by Lizard on Nov 6, 2023 18:03:56 GMT
Sounds like a music festival.
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Post by zephro on Nov 6, 2023 19:00:47 GMT
Fair enough. We've definitely gotten worse and it is very much noticeable, but sounds like it isn't anywhere near as bad as the US. It has gotten way worse, it's at least tripled since New Labour. Though that's the absolute low point, as during the 90s it was like 2000 per night, under Major, and New Labour got it down to 400 a night across England in total. Which is one of those facts where people saying New Labour were just Tories can fucking shove it. It's gotten much worse since 2010 for the more general homeless figures in the UK. Which probably doesn't translate to US statistics in the same way. The definition in the UK includes anyone not in permanent secured accommodation, I don't know if US States even measure that quite the same way. Anyway that's sky rocketed as there's no council homes, basic pay often doesn't cover rent and benefits definitely don't cover rent. So there's a terrifyingly large number of people either on sofas, in B&Bs or some other temporary situation with councils footing the bill (some of which may have slept rough some of the nights in the year). Because the Tories are cunts, but also going all the way back to Thatcher there just aren't enough council homes anymore and property prices, therefore rent, have gone insane. Not just London, quite a few UK cities are basically unaffordable in this way. Obviously most EU countries put us to shame. |
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Post by Zomoniac on Nov 6, 2023 22:37:30 GMT
I did a California road trip last year. Certainly saw plenty of homeless in SF, rough sleeping in parks. They all kept to themselves and never seemed like there’d be any issues arising though, just a lot of people in a shit situation. San Diego on the other hand, streets lined with tents, people gurning, screaming, standing in the middle of the road shouting gibberish. Homelessness there felt like a lot of intimidating addicts, nothing like San Francisco. Complete tangent - did you stay in motels? I'm considering cycling SF to LA or maybe even Portland to SF. My US friends said do it but like plan to stop more than I think and DON'T sleep rough No, hotels and a car. We’re not totally mental. |
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Post by Lizard on Nov 7, 2023 1:03:47 GMT
Does anyone go on holiday and just sleep rough? I suppose it's cheaper.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 7, 2023 1:43:49 GMT
It's usually called camping.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 7, 2023 3:16:14 GMT
The Bell Riots are supposed to take place in the far off year of 2024.
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Post by simple on Nov 7, 2023 7:44:53 GMT
That episode felt alarmingly prescient when I last rewatched it
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 7, 2023 8:33:14 GMT
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Post by elstoof on Nov 7, 2023 9:04:52 GMT
When do Taco Bell win the franchise wars
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Nov 7, 2023 9:16:01 GMT
That episode felt alarmingly prescient when I last rewatched it Yeah I had the same reaction. It's like we've been on an inevitable path for decades. :/ Although speaking of Star Trek history, I can't see how World War 3 is going to last 20 years, maybe 20 minutes. |
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Nov 7, 2023 9:30:33 GMT
Sadiq KHAAAAAAAAN! As well. They just mixed up eugenics and ULEZ.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 7, 2023 12:32:58 GMT
We could wake up tomorrow to find Elongated Muskrat announcing his weird brain chips are designed to give people false memories of vacations on Mars where women have three tits, but because it's him, they fail spectacularly and leave people vegetative.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Nov 7, 2023 12:43:37 GMT
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Post by askew on Nov 7, 2023 14:56:24 GMT
I heard there's a thing called Brexit which is also proving to have knock-on effects, but sure. Covid and the Russian invasion will be the crutch forevermore.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 7, 2023 15:17:50 GMT
I heard there's a thing called Brexit which is also proving to have knock-on effects, but sure. Covid and the Russian invasion will be the crutch forevermore. The year is 2269. The alien menace of the Scunthorpian Imperium has subjugated sixteen solar systems and is closing in on Earth. In a joint statement released by Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson VII, Esq., Huey, Dewey and Louie Trump and the corpse of Suella Braverman, reanimated in 2142 through technology and the sheer power of her hatred, COVID is cited as the primary reason for a potential rout of Earth's forces, as "the amount of deaths attributed to the hoax disease from the mainstream media 250 years ago crippled our ability to mount a better defence." More at eleven. |
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Post by otto on Nov 7, 2023 16:07:27 GMT
I heard there's a thing called Brexit which is also proving to have knock-on effects, but sure. Covid and the Russian invasion will be the crutch forevermore. Fucking boils my piss this. As I have commented at length BTL on the graun, on bluesky, and on Mastodon, and will ad nauseam. |
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Post by apollo on Nov 7, 2023 16:28:20 GMT
it seems Ex-Hamas chief ‘behind pro-Palestine Armistice Day protests’ in UK, about right
Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is a founder of the Muslim Association of Britain, one of six groups organising the London march on Nov 11
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/17pokii/exhamas_chief_behind_propalestine_armistice_day/
The link is telepgraph but it does have not have anything as bad as the daily mail like to Bullshit up (also does have a pic of Corbyn in 2003 with Hamas linked group, that old cunt loves his hamas friends, funny that)
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