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Post by bichii2 on Oct 28, 2023 19:59:10 GMT
Now read (not on main media like BBC) that 500,000+ turned up today. Bit more significant than the two paragraphs BBC gave it whilst it said maybe tens of thousands.
As I said as far as the eye could see was people around the whole area for a few miles of the route.
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Post by geefe on Oct 28, 2023 20:09:34 GMT
Shame people can't do that against the Tories
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Post by X201 on Oct 28, 2023 20:19:55 GMT
Now read (not on main media like BBC) that 500,000+ turned up today. Where did the figure come from? |
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2023 20:56:36 GMT
100k sounds more plausible than 500k. Especially when the second figure appears to be coming from the organisers.
The press estimates tend to come from either themselves or the Police doing a calculation based upon a combination of travel data into the protest area and taking sample photographs of the march from the air and counting the density of people in the samples and multiplying out from there.
Once you get beyond a couple of hundred this is basically impossible from the ground and I doubt the organisers had access to the full surveillance coverage of the march to base their number on the relevant data.
Which is a shame because 100k marching for a cause at short notice is significant and newsworthy on its own and you wouldn’t really want the conversation to become about a fivefold discrepancy in turnout.
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Post by bichii2 on Oct 28, 2023 21:15:56 GMT
True.
However on Instagram with some quick searching you can see the drone footage of the area. It's like Notting hill carnival packed and on this event the police always estimate over a million. (Definitely wasn't a million today)
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2023 21:49:44 GMT
I’m still sceptical of there being half a million. Reports at the time reckoned around 100k of the 200k who attended Glastonbury saw Elton John’s set and that looked like this  So its easy to appreciate how hard it is estimating mass gatherings. I can believe 500k nationwide when you fold in the other cities and obviously whatever the size Sunak has questions to answer about his total disinterest in humanitarian questions about the conflict zone. |
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Post by bichii2 on Oct 28, 2023 21:51:43 GMT
Yeah and that's a big field.
Today was victoria, waterloo, white hall, Westminster. All wide roads and all packed and maybe 3 miles long.
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Post by elstoof on Oct 28, 2023 21:54:12 GMT
The brexit March had somewhere between 3-500,000 people and looked way bigger than today
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Post by bichii2 on Oct 28, 2023 21:59:32 GMT
My point is missed. If it's 100,000-1,000,000 makes no difference really. It's mostly ignored or minimalised by the media and it's mental that the government mention that potentially rasing the Palestinian flag could be an offense. How Israel has so much influence is wild considering how much a tiny country it is with a population similar to London. It can do what ever the fuck it wants and it's okay to the UK government and the media. Hence why I put it in the UK politics and not world. Not here to debate the whole conflict, more how fucked up the UK is.
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Post by Syrette on Oct 28, 2023 22:18:46 GMT
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Post by technoish on Oct 28, 2023 22:21:12 GMT
Will stick to UK points for this thread... But shouting at BBC and media is looney ville.
There's wall to wall coverage of stuff happening in Israel/Gaza. The main BBC article covers the demonstration with loads of photos.
I think Sunak and Co are disgusting for their opportunistic stance here, but stuff like decrying Israel's power over UK is bonkers. There's a much bigger story going on here. Israel is a key ally against Iran. Qatar is even smaller than Israel but has for reasons [gas and money, as well as political alliances] also a lot of sway here.
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Post by Lizard on Oct 28, 2023 22:29:32 GMT
Yeah, doesn't seem downplayed to me.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 28, 2023 22:44:05 GMT
Didn't know Cleese was going to have a show on GB News, although not hugely surprised. I am surprised to see Stephen Fry on his list of guests though. Genuinely quite disappointed to see him having anything to do with the channel. |
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Post by elstoof on Oct 28, 2023 22:52:11 GMT
My point is missed. If it's 100,000-1,000,000 makes no difference really. weren’t you whining earlier about the BBC claiming it was only tens of thousands when you believed it was 100,000 |
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2023 23:15:44 GMT
I feel like there must be a “someone’s law” for every time someone says the media are ignoring x issue and its invariably one of the top stories on the BBC website and a featured headline on their tv bulletins.
If there ever is a ‘gap’ in reporting its usually just the time the report takes to get their copy uploaded or for tv crews to get their feed established or SD cards handed in.
I fully get why in the social media age there can be a panic when things don’t happen in the media with the urgency of an activist but its usually just for boring old fashioned editorial and logistical reasons not because of some grand conspiracy.
Literally the only story ahead of the protest on the website this evening has been live reporting of the conflict itself. So I don’t think they’ve been ignoring it, even if the government has.
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Post by elstoof on Oct 28, 2023 23:19:58 GMT
BBC is always last with breaking news anyway, they have to spend longer ensuring credibility than any other outlet to avoid a kicking over getting another thing wrong
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2023 23:37:14 GMT
Didn't know Cleese was going to have a show on GB News, although not hugely surprised. I am surprised to see Stephen Fry on his list of guests though. Genuinely quite disappointed to see him having anything to do with the channel. Every time I see a new story about Cleese he seems to be getting ever more vanishingly out of touch. Sat in LA crying about Britain feeling like a foreign country and now worrying that GB News might have some shady folk involved. |
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Post by Danno on Oct 28, 2023 23:54:40 GMT
Didn't know Cleese was going to have a show on GB News, although not hugely surprised. I am surprised to see Stephen Fry on his list of guests though. Genuinely quite disappointed to see him having anything to do with the channel. Every time I see a new story about Cleese he seems to be getting ever more vanishingly out of touch. Sat in LA crying about Britain feeling like a foreign country and now worrying that GB News might have some shady folk involved. I was almost impressed at how ignorant he is about his current employer, but soon realised that when he read the offer letter he looked at numbers and ignored the words. |
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2023 23:59:09 GMT
Him and Gilliam have both managed to dig ever deeper more embarrassing holes for themselves while Palin and Idle seem to be appreciating or enjoying the lives they’ve earned
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Post by Danno on Oct 29, 2023 0:03:44 GMT
Him and Gilliam have both managed to dig ever deeper more embarrassing holes for themselves while Palin and Idle seem to be appreciating or enjoying the lives they’ve earned I just can't comprehend how any comedian, let alone someone that could/should be a legend of the trade, wilfully fails to understand the punching down vs punching up argument. He's the definition of Old Sillybollocks. |
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Post by myk on Oct 29, 2023 0:35:33 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Oct 29, 2023 7:17:33 GMT
Him and Gilliam have both managed to dig ever deeper more embarrassing holes for themselves while Palin and Idle seem to be appreciating or enjoying the lives they’ve earned Aye. They are good people. The other two, not so much. |
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Post by geefe on Oct 29, 2023 7:56:29 GMT
Given that Palin literally made a second career out of going round the world and meeting people from different cultures, I'm in no way surprised he's the most empathetic one
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Post by askew on Oct 30, 2023 14:30:56 GMT
Boris Johnson
Who woulda thunk it.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 30, 2023 16:29:03 GMT
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Post by cubby on Oct 30, 2023 16:31:58 GMT
Ironic because she's a walking hate crime.
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Post by rhaegyr on Oct 30, 2023 16:35:07 GMT
Remember when we thought Priti Patel was a nasty piece of work?
She's got nothing on Cruella.
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Post by minimatt on Oct 30, 2023 16:35:40 GMT
today's covid inquiry has some big quotes. not sure if there's not much cut through because it's seen as ancient history, boris being two PMs ago now, or the more immediate carnage in the middle east & ukraine, but this could easily bring down his premiership if he was still around (of course, Rishi was chancellor during all this, don't think he's going to be able to claim the shitty, sheer incompetence, of government was nothing to do with him)
from Simon Case (cabinet secretary) - Dominic Cummings (barnard castle botherer) in autumn 2020:
I am at the end of my tether. He changes strategic direction every day (Monday we were all about fear of virus returning as per Europe, March etc – today we’re in ‘let it rip’ mode cos (sic) the UK is pathetic, needs a cold shower etc.) He cannot lead and we cannot support him in leading with this approach. The team captain cannot change the call on the big plays every day. The team can’t deliver anything under these circumstances. A weak team (as we have got – Hancock, Williamson, Dido, No10/CO, Perm Secs), definitely cannot succeed in these circs (sic). IT HAS TO STOP! Decide and set direction – deliver – explain. Gov’t isn’t actually that hard but this guy is really making it impossible.
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Post by technoish on Oct 30, 2023 16:37:00 GMT
Was just catching up on it, all shambolic and all utterly unsurprising.
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Post by X201 on Oct 30, 2023 16:41:27 GMT
It's people like her that make a Geniocracy seem like a bloody good idea. I welcome our new Raëlian overloards.
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