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Post by Dougs on Oct 11, 2023 19:54:44 GMT
Oh.
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Post by cubby on Oct 11, 2023 19:57:29 GMT
"well if our prisons are full that means we got em all"
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Post by askew on Oct 11, 2023 19:58:32 GMT
Time to build a wall around Jersey and use that as a supermax prison.
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2023 20:11:43 GMT
Force private schools to replace their boarders with convicts. Two birds, one stone.
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Bongo Heracles
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 11, 2023 20:31:54 GMT
It feels like the money they spunked on the death barge and fannying about in Rwanda might have been better spent on… I dunno…. anything else?
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Post by cubby on Oct 11, 2023 20:34:21 GMT
But we've run out of money!
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Post by elstoof on Oct 11, 2023 20:36:22 GMT
£1.6bn on barges 😎
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Post by elstoof on Oct 11, 2023 20:37:08 GMT
You could literally buy Birmingham for that
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Post by Danno on Oct 11, 2023 20:59:01 GMT
"This not white dude doing 3 years for weed possession definitely needs to be here for a full term because once he nicked a Mars Bar before that"
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 11, 2023 21:04:33 GMT
"Oh no, does that we have to release some of our dangerous criminals like the Insulate Britain people we banged up for wanting people to have warm homes?"
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Post by Danno on Oct 11, 2023 21:07:31 GMT
"Oh no, does that we have to release some of our dangerous criminals like the Insulate Britain people we banged up for wanting people to have warm homes?" "Also Gary from Cirencester was late for work because of Just Stop Oil" |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 11, 2023 21:25:21 GMT
THE PRIVATE SECTOR WILL SOLVE THIS!
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Post by X201 on Oct 11, 2023 21:38:29 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 11, 2023 22:00:35 GMT
It's a pretty good response and one that seems reasonable.
However, I would be quite surprised if the BBC didn't refer to July 7th as a terrorist act or the Manchester bombing or attacks in Omagh or 9/11, etc. Maybe they didn't and no one noticed, but I find it unlikely.
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Post by technoish on Oct 11, 2023 22:03:59 GMT
They'd probably say x has been bombed, which gvt are treating as a terrorist incident.
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Post by Chopsen on Oct 11, 2023 22:18:51 GMT
Literally a few seconds googling I can find use of the words "terrorist organisation" being used by the BBC, where attribution is ambiguous and without quote marks, and would only be considered a quote if you were prepped on their editorial policy.
Not saying that's not their policy, but their policy is not enforced with as much on an iron will as implied.
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Post by Chopsen on Oct 11, 2023 22:22:10 GMT
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Post by Chopsen on Oct 11, 2023 22:23:03 GMT
I had about 10 tabs open and I'm on the phone and CBA posting. Do your own googles.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 11, 2023 22:39:01 GMT
I’m sure they would argue that they actually called them ’dissidents’ and never directly referred to anyone as terrorists. |
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Post by Chopsen on Oct 11, 2023 22:51:44 GMT
Well they can fuck off then can't they?
Maybe they should stop calling the Russian invasion of Ukraine an invasion, as Russia obviously view it as a special military operation and "invasion" is a value laden term and they'd be taking sides.
Sometimes seeking "balance" is inherently colouring the reporting.
See also the BBC's illustiral history of providing balance on climate skepticism.
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2023 23:16:02 GMT
I assumed they hadn’t been calling the Hamas attack on Israel a terrorist attack because Hamas are the de facto government of Palestine and its forces basically its military so even though its not a fully recognised nation state, this was essentially an act of war. Albeit, one which has comprised of some of the worst crimes imaginable.
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Post by Danno on Oct 11, 2023 23:20:09 GMT
They have horribly strict journalistic and linguistic terms to adhere to, that no other news outlet on the planet has to contort itself into. They're still doing a decent job imo without being supine.
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2023 23:45:57 GMT
Plus you find me better coverage of major international events than people like John Simpson, Kate Adie, Jeremy Bowen and Lyse Doucet have delivered over the years.
People like to complain about how the BBC’s domestic political coverage or how it mistakes in the name of ‘balance’ but you listen to the World Service round-ups or any episode of From Our Own Correspondent and it becomes apparent that in a lot of fields they’re second to none.
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Post by Danno on Oct 12, 2023 0:06:20 GMT
Plus you find me better coverage of major international events than people like John Simpson, Kate Adie, Jeremy Bowen and Lyse Doucet have delivered over the years. People like to complain about how the BBC’s domestic political coverage or how it mistakes in the name of ‘balance’ but you listen to the World Service round-ups or any episode of From Our Own Correspondent and it becomes apparent that in a lot of fields they’re second to none. Bang on. |
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Post by Chopsen on Oct 12, 2023 0:43:15 GMT
The BBC is better at separating opinion from reporting than most, but in terms of it's tendency to exhibit Gell Mann phenomena it's no better than anybody else ime. The only outlet that has impressed me in terms of editorial approach is the FT. The BBC is good in the sense that it regularly subjects itself to introspection and self flagilation. They fuck up, but they do fess up big time.
Citing the World Service as a shining example of its objectivity is a bit ironic, as it is directly funded by the FO and is *explicitly* a propaganda outlet by design. I agree it is very enjoyable, but most listening to emollient options which reaffirm my world views are.
I do *get* the justification as outlined for not using th term, but that only matters in terms of *their* value judgement on the term "terrorism". Fwiw I understood the PLO to be the official recognised representative of the Palestinian people. But motivation and action count for something. Going back to the FT again, I note that are calling this an Israeli Hamas conflict, not an Israeli Palestinian ones.
The BBC is good, but it also gets things wrong a lot.
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Post by X201 on Oct 12, 2023 4:55:10 GMT
Citing the World Service as a shining example of its objectivity is a bit ironic, as it is directly funded by the FO Originally it was all FO funded but it’s now 75% funded by the licence fee since 2015 - one of George Osborne’s little austerity wheezes, he moved costs onto the BBC but kept income from them. Which is why to save money the BBC dropped the Met Office contract to provide weather data and why BBC Monitoring down-sized and left Caversham House, something the Govt. complained about a few years later. The Govt. want the World Service and other BBC services to exist , but want the BBC to run it to the same standard as before while at the same time cutting the licence fee funding by 50% |
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Post by X201 on Oct 12, 2023 5:04:51 GMT
Princess Diana agrees too  |
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Post by geefe on Oct 12, 2023 7:19:46 GMT
Fucking hell they are desperate
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Post by Danno on Oct 12, 2023 7:38:53 GMT
Princess Diana agrees too First Holly, now Kate "Cottage Cheese" Middleton. It's only a matter of time before zombie Diana commits an atrocity and I say we exhume her and send her remains to space to pre-empt it. |
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Post by otto on Oct 12, 2023 7:43:04 GMT
If you have enough money to pay fees now, posting another 20% is either very easy for them or they’ll go to normal school and have a huge amount of cash available to spend on the next little Boris with tutors/coke etc. Slightly controversial view incoming, given that I'm a lefty myself. I'm all in favour of socialised public schooling, which is how it's done in better run countries like France, Belgium, Germany, where there are very few private schools and the ones that do exist are generally for edge cases who can't cope well in the general school population. In the UK, decades of neglect, especially since 2010, means that the state school sector is in a fucking mess. Class sizes are insane. Parents are expected to contribute large amounts of money to meet basic needs. Edge cases - kids with special needs, who learn differently, behavioural issues - are not given the care they need and fall behind. So hear me out: if you're going to hit the private education sector, either by banning it entirely or by pushing up prices, then that needs to be accompanied by MASSIVE investment in the state sector. Otherwise, all you're doing is pushing more and more kids into an already floundering state system, and many of those kids will be the kind who need extra attention, because lots of the people - like me - who DO use the private system do so because if we didn't our kids would be in all kinds of trouble. Not every independent school is Eton, not every parent who sends a kid to a private school is Boris Johnson. Public opinion is understandably distorted by the existence of Eton etc and by the UK class system, and the big posh public schools definitely make that class divide worse, but I would say the large majority of parents who currently use private schools are middle class and digging very deep in order to be able to pay for their kids' educations. They would bite your hand off if you offered a decent state alternative. But right now that doesn't exist, not for everyone. So by pushing those parents back into the state sector by making private school more expensive you're achieving fuck all except to make the state sector more overstretched and make the private sector even more elite.
(Full disclosure, I have four kids and three of them are or were at private school, because their needs dictated that choice - the one who isn't is doing really well at an excellent state secondary.)
/rant over
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