UK Politics Thread

This is what it must feel like to be an american. Vote for corrupt facists or mealy mouthed, diet-conservatives.

There used to be, but the whole country decided in 2015 that yellow was too complicated, so lets just reduce everything to red v blue, see how that goes.


So far so good.

The thing is, despite what the press and some nihilists in this country will tell you, progressive policies are popular and people do support them. I know the idea is that they dont upset anyone at any cost, but the cost is that its alienating anyone with a functioning brain.

I’m still gutted about the news that Lucas is standing down.

Between the SNP imploding over its finances and her going it feels like any bold progressive voices are in retreat in Parliament just as the ideas are finding really roots in the general population.

The funny thing is that the class of 2019 seem to actively hate their constituents.

I was going to vote for him through very gritted teeth but it seems like they are on a mission to make me abstain entirely. Every week they announce something that makes me think 'fucking hell....'

Labour just seem terrified to do or say anything for fear it might upset some imagined aggregate voter.

For all people say New Labour was Tory-lite, Blair amd Brown were never afraid of getting out there and selling a vision and taking voters with him. Starmer feels like he’s trying to chase where someone is telling him voters are and thats just s spiral of flip-flopping and backtracking.

For Labour it's all about getting the red wall back.

The more measured responses seem to be saying that the plan was never going to be to throw £28bn at this and that the plan was always to ramp up the money across two parliaments.

Then again, even if the plan hasn't really changed, I'm sure the message was an attempt to make it look like they have had to change the plan because of Tory cockups. Almost certainly Labour won't be able to make the investments they want to be able to and likely less than they had planned a year ago, but still feels like a communication error (not that I think it is one that will make much of a problem for them).

This country is utterly fucked and the people who fucked it are still in control, hopefully not for much longer.

I said this the other day. If labour do get in by some miracle, it'll take them years to even begin to make a dent in unfucking everything.

The Tory machine will inevitably start with the "look what this useless shower are doing. You wouldn't have these kind of problems under us!"
Then we'll be back to a Tory government before you know it.

Utterly fucking depressing.

I think there's also a disconnect with people's thoughts and actions. I know many who are good, caring people who are happy to help anyone and get upset at people fleeing persecution etc. But then in the next breath demonise asylum seekers etc. I think deep down, they know it's wrong but they can't help but parrot what they've been told by the right wing press.

It would be impossible to come in a spend £28bn straight away a year from the start. It needs to be ramped up, targets identified etc. There is already a massive issue with underspend on capital projects because it is actually hard to get the money out the door, while also actually making sure it is spent on the right things.

One thing that really fucking annoys me about how this government has mismanaged things is how they didn't take serious advantage of historically low to non-existent interest rates to invest heavily in the country, piling up debts that cost basically nothing to service isn't something to avoid it's something to take advantage of.

But, oh no, we have to live within our means, treat debt like it's a country's credit card, here's some cuts and austerity. It's fucking insane bollocks.