UK Politics Thread

Thats a shame, I liked Roguey. And the PS4 Pro he gave me when mine bricked is my main machine.

There isn't one short of sticking your fingers in your ears, screwing up your face and screaming "Lalalalanomorebrown peopleCorbynBrexitThatcherBrexitForrinsChristamsPoppiesAreGreatCuntreeeeeee"

Look, some of my best friends are tories...

Someone said earlier that the Conservative party is dead, it's just the Brexit party now, and that nails it imo. There's nothing conservative about any of these chancers in cabinet.

Slight tangent: how on earth is Chris Grayling not a minister. It's not like the competition is stiff.

I am flirting with either voting tory or not at all. Frankly as a director level white hetero male they are great for me. Especially as I work in efficiency and streamlining so am doing shit like installing one program to replace 10 low paid workers etc.

My whole life I have been a bedwetting Liberal, supported higher taxes, better welfare etc. Then this country voted for brexit and tories multiple times depriving my niece and nephew of their future etc. Frankly I have started to despise the British and keep wondering why I vote against my own self interest to make a fairer country when the scum voted for themselves to be worse.

Still at the abstaining point, but withe the contempt I hold for 52% of the population and the way they doubled down on it I really should just fully switch and go full on offshore money laundering tory.

there is new strain of "young" tory that is ready to take over. not sure if I can find a link I saw

Plenty of depressing shit to see and nonsense to hear from the Tory conference, especially from some of their newer/younger MPs, who seem more interested in trolling 'the left' and antagonizing people on social media than serving their constituents or acting in the best needs of the poorest and most vulnerable in our society.

This was literally the only item I came across that gave me any semblance of hope that, whilst still utterly misguided and morally fucking contemptible, there are still some of the their members that actually have a kernel of humanity kicking around somewhere in their cold, dead hearts:

To be fair, the battering people used to get over at the old place if there was even a whiff of them not hating the tories it's no wonder that no one is stepping up to take the abuse.

the thing is most of them could not put a sentence together without saying "you lost, get over it" "African farmers something something" Never saw a good reason from them for brexit, when asked they would get angry (also a lot of them were antivax thickos)

since we are sharing about "my conservative mate"  I recently found my friend is very much supports tories as not because he is horrible twat, its just because he has "I'm alright Jack" POV as him and his wife have nice house, almost paid off, decent paid jobs and does not give much of fuck about people less wealth off. As long as the tories don't fuck up his holidays, going to football, fucking his xbox (probably) etc he does not have much empathy for people less well off

It's basically the difference between 'There but for the grace of God go I' and 'Ha ha fuck you loser!'

It’s quite basic for me

Tories only care about themselves and think everyone is out to get and take what they have. As they are incredibly greedy they think everyone else is the same and they want to protect that they have. For the working class and poor, even though they don’t have much, they’ve been convinced that immigrants are coming to take what’s rightfully theirs

Brexit was a vote largely won on greed and selfishness, whether it’s the mega rich or the broke ass poor, both sets of Leavers voted with the same motivation

I found out a week ago that a guy in our, small, team voted Leave and votes Conservative. He voted Leave to keep the “brown” people out, thinks that immigrants don’t pay tax and that Farage is brilliant for “sticking it” to the EU

After Thatcherism though, the less well off 'deserve it.' Should have worked harder, by extension, the richer you are, the harder you worked and the more moral you are. The lie of Meritocracy, which only works presuming everyone starts from the same base level and has access to the same opportunities, which is essentially impossible.

As for conservatism, or the conservative party anyway, there used to more than a few that I respected and liked. Ken Clarke, Michael Portillo, Amber Rudd, even William Hague. The current cabinet are not really of an intellectual standard that I would consider 'worthy.'

IRL, most of the people I meet are not politically motivated in general, they may recite a few quotes from a Mail headline about benefit scroungers and immigrants, but that's about it. Most don't vote because it 'doesn't matter,' others don't because 'they're all the same,' which is more depressing to me.

I do try to see things from other peoples point of view though and not instantly dismiss them as bigoted or racist. Regarding the Brexit vote, I had some sympathy with a friends mother. She had lived in the same area for about 30 years. It was one of the more run down areas of Hull (so you know it was bad). Anyway, it was shortly after the A8 came into force in the EU. Her community changed in such a short amount of time it was unreal. I think you can at least sympathise with her community changing in such a short period of time as to understand a Brexit vote, for a lot of people it was about immigration and it was poorer areas these changes took place predominantly.

The last five years unfortunately has divided people more than ever, entrenched people into tribes, almost football team like mentality which has meant sensible discourse in public life has ceased.

Which is why I'm an advocate for PR, people need to compromise in politics, not have everything their own way, whichever side of the political spectrum you happen to fall.

It's quite clear that this lot are not your traditional conservatives. I wouldn't be so sure that they will lower taxation and de-regulate. Can't see much evidence of that so far, even if that theory behind Brexit holds some water.