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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 6, 2021 21:06:11 GMT
I suppose you can have people on the left who are consumed by purity tests with no semblance of nuance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 21:10:33 GMT
Alt right is the ideology of edge lords who want to keep saying misogynistic racist crap and so make out it's a political thing. I really don't see how you can have the equivalent of that with leftist ideals. you have people on the far left who are quite anti-Semitic for starters... (these people are not left wing despite what they shout) |
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Post by simple on Oct 6, 2021 21:16:03 GMT
I suppose you can have people on the left who are consumed by purity tests with no semblance of nuance. Yeah we might only have extremely loose terminology to try and make do but there’s definitely a tendency among particular groups of online activists which has an aggressive streak and lack of perspective. The kind of people who see internal Labour factions and other parties of the left like Greens as traitors, splitters and the real enemy of their project. And I say that as someone who has voted LD (under Kennedy), Labour and Green in various elections over thr years. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 6, 2021 21:21:40 GMT
I suppose you can have people on the left who are consumed by purity tests with no semblance of nuance. Yeah we might only have extremely loose terminology to try and make do but there’s definitely a tendency among particular groups of online activists which has an aggressive streak and lack of perspective. The kind of people who see internal Labour factions and other parties of the left like Greens as traitors, splitters and the real enemy of their project. And I say that as someone who has voted LD (under Kennedy), Labour and Green in various elections over thr years. Or a 'Higgy'. |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Oct 6, 2021 21:23:58 GMT
Grocery shopping in the big Tesco today a lot of bare shelves. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the lead up to Christmas.
I mean with Covid, Brexit, Tory incompetence and a European energy crisis it's going to be a magical season.
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Post by Lizard on Oct 7, 2021 3:41:35 GMT
I'm not sure I'd call hem 'alt-left', but dribbling Momentum types don't exactly cover themselves in glory in their idiotic pursuit of ideological purity.
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Post by Lizard on Oct 7, 2021 3:48:21 GMT
Grocery shopping in the big Tesco today a lot of bare shelves. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the lead up to Christmas. I mean with Covid, Brexit, Tory incompetence and a European energy crisis it's going to be a magical season. It's the 1950s Christmas the gammons have been dreaming of. Victory loaves and TB all round! |
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Post by Dougs on Oct 7, 2021 5:46:15 GMT
Grocery shopping in the big Tesco today a lot of bare shelves. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the lead up to Christmas. I mean with Covid, Brexit, Tory incompetence and a European energy crisis it's going to be a magical season. It'll be hand waved away and definitely not the government's fault. |
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Post by dam on Oct 7, 2021 7:49:59 GMT
I take it they are saving the announcement of big rises in public sector pay for the budget? If it's all about higher wages, I'm sure the NHS, police, prison officers etc will be looking forward to that.
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Post by TheSaint on Oct 7, 2021 7:54:56 GMT
On that subject:
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 7, 2021 7:57:32 GMT
Grocery shopping in the big Tesco today a lot of bare shelves. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the lead up to Christmas. I mean with Covid, Brexit, Tory incompetence and a European energy crisis it's going to be a magical season. It'll be hand waved away and definitely not the government's fault. Its being hand waved away as necessary and part of the plan to fully rid ourselves of the evil EU. Like in a movie where they kill the guy to get the monster out and then zap him with the paddles. Incredible, really. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 8:08:25 GMT
Looking back the Tories will be fucking delighted that covid happened now. No-oneseems to care about their shambolic handling of it and now they've got a perfect scapegoat for the catastrophic problems that Brexit is going to cause.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 7, 2021 8:13:02 GMT
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Post by askew on Oct 7, 2021 8:24:27 GMT
Don't worry, our bare shelves mean we are making a fantastic economic recovery from… all this: we're buying shit faster than it can stocked.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 7, 2021 8:29:59 GMT
The narrative around wage growth really grinds my gears - half the country were on furlough and those still working have had a 20% bump in a lot of cases. And yeah, the public sector stuff rankles.
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Post by technoish on Oct 7, 2021 8:39:41 GMT
Basically high inflation is going fuck it all up (more).
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Post by richardiox on Oct 7, 2021 8:57:49 GMT
I take it they are saving the announcement of big rises in public sector pay for the budget? If it's all about higher wages, I'm sure the NHS, police, prison officers etc will be looking forward to that. Yeah all the talk of increasing pay to offset the increased cost of living and property prices for owning or renting...the one area the government has direct control of salaries is the public sector (which I work in) and we've had a pay freeze since the Tories got in 11 years ago. Not to mention the council I work for has had over 50% budget cut during that time. As you can imagine lots of services to support the most vulnerable have gone and will continue to go as despite the "austerity is over" talk they are still reducing our budgets. We used to apply for EU funding for lots of social programmes but they've removed that option too. But guess who the public blame for the cuts to services? Our council of course. |
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 7, 2021 9:22:59 GMT
If you don't have to push a wheelbarrow full of notes to the shops to buy a mouldy load of bread have we really increased wages enough because of how awesome Brexit is?
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Post by Danno on Oct 7, 2021 10:30:53 GMT
"Alas, Labour’s leaders are more interested in settling internal factional scores than disassembling Tory deceit and projecting an optimistic, coherent vision in its place."
Owen Jones with his usual utter lack of introspection or, at least, appreciation of irony
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 11:18:42 GMT
good link on independent about Boris' 8 lies in his speech, shame that website is mess of autoplaying videos, will link to the reddit post
https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/q32ibl/comment/hfpdyyt/
sadly he is a mini trump and his lies are taken as fact and him and his party are doing everything they can to take down anyone who will fact check them (as what has happened to the BBC)
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 7, 2021 11:57:30 GMT
I was at a gig last night in manchester, my wife texted me and showed me a picture of Johnsons dad eating a curry in our local Indian. I'd like to think I would have gone over and given him a piece of my mind, but I probably wouldnt...
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Post by brodie on Oct 7, 2021 12:54:53 GMT
I was at a gig last night in manchester, my wife texted me and showed me a picture of Johnsons dad eating a curry in our local Indian. I'd like to think I would have gone over and given him a piece of my mind, but I probably wouldnt... Better off with a time travelling vasectomy than a piece of your mind tbh. |
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Post by simple on Oct 7, 2021 13:00:47 GMT
"Alas, Labour’s leaders are more interested in settling internal factional scores than disassembling Tory deceit and projecting an optimistic, coherent vision in its place." Owen Jones with his usual utter lack of introspection or, at least, appreciation of irony As I used to say in the other place, his first two books were both pretty good. Interesting, engaged, his articles willing to look at the problem with some critical distance. Then he had his wobble when rumour was he might back a Clive Lewis leadership, there was backlash and he swung so hard the other way with all the zealotry of a convert and lost all sense of perspective when it came to the party. He still does some good broader social pieces though. |
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Post by Danno on Oct 7, 2021 13:15:04 GMT
That's the frustrating thing. He's a decent writer and can get to the heart of an issue, it's the hypocrisy in articles like that which winds me up
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Post by djronz on Oct 7, 2021 14:57:03 GMT
I wonder why this thread doesn't have lots of tory voters defending some of the stuff that's being said in here? I mean it's called the UK politics thread not the "fuck the tories" thread which it seems to have become (not without good reason).
So in the interests of balance is anybody out there who can actually make a decent argument as to why they think this government isn't the shower of shit this thread thinks it is.....?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 7, 2021 14:59:04 GMT
I think the last out and out Tory on the forum left in a huff.
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Post by Danno on Oct 7, 2021 15:01:19 GMT
I wonder why this thread doesn't have lots of tory voters defending some of the stuff that's being said in here? I mean it's called the UK politics thread not the "fuck the tories" thread which it seems to have become (not without good reason). So in the interests of balance is anybody out there who can actually make a decent argument as to why they think this government isn't the shower of shit this thread thinks it is.....? If you want to give it a crack feel free. No hard feelings as and when you give up, we'll treat it as a social experiment |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 15:02:03 GMT
I wonder why this thread doesn't have lots of tory voters defending some of the stuff that's being said in here? I mean it's called the UK politics thread not the "fuck the tories" thread which it seems to have become (not without good reason). the ones on the old forum were 99% utter twats they could barely form a sentence without being abusive or paint drinking bellends Rougey was alright person, think he was conservative voter and always seemed a decent person |
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 7, 2021 15:10:45 GMT
Did Rougey come across?
I would quite like to hear his opinion on this.
I have a few staunch conservative friends who are at a loss for words with this utter shit show. Most of them will either not vote or vote Lib Dem. None of them will vote Labour though, their seething hatred of Corbyn still runs deep
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 7, 2021 15:17:59 GMT
On the my conservative mates subject, the few I have are from working class/lower middle class backgrounds (like myself) and went to Uni and are now in very well paid high level jobs. I often wonder if being a conservative was an ambition for them and when they hear the likes of Angela Raynor talk it makes them cringe and reminds them of a life they worked so hard to escape.
I must add I am only friends with these people because we have been mates since school so know each other really well and can put up with each others political views.
Any friends made later in life are all liberal elites like me :-)
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