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Post by rhaegyr on Nov 29, 2024 12:06:54 GMT
Anyone watching the assisted dying debate?
Some strong stuff in there. Also feels like one of the few times Parliament is working correctly instead of being pure theatre.
Also looks like it isn't going to pass if the ratio of for/against so far is anything to go by, despite the country being about 75% in favour.
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Post by simple on Nov 29, 2024 12:13:30 GMT
I truly don’t envy any MPs on this one. I’ve seen such compelling arguments in both directions.
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Post by Tomo on Nov 29, 2024 12:21:32 GMT
Straightforward Yes for me. Admittedly somewhat selfishly because I don't want to spend 5 years losing my mind to Alzheimer's. But also, if it passed, whatever they bring in will be so tentative and heavily scrutinised, we're not going to suddenly see a bunch of Netflix crime docs centred around convoluted plots to kill relatives via the Assisted Dying Bill.
I agree though, it feels like the first bit of proper debate I've witnessed in quite possibly decades.
Not whether or not pork markets will improve by leaving the EU...
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Nov 29, 2024 12:24:21 GMT
Regarding the Haigh discussion, it’s harsh but if it reintroduces a standard that mps have to adhere too and makes reform/tory MPs more accountable than if say it be worth it. But I don’t have any faith that will happen.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see her back at some point. She seems highly thought of on both sides of labour.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 29, 2024 13:04:29 GMT
It'd have been nice if the one about British people not being able to bring their spouses to live with them unless they were rich had gotten half as much coverage. Talk of the devil, I got this by email today:
At least it didn't get totally torpedoed by the surprise general election.
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Post by otto on Nov 29, 2024 13:40:20 GMT
Speaking as an officially old bastard, I have to say I really hope they take this opportunity to let me choose a painless exit should it come to that.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 29, 2024 13:42:34 GMT
Interesting development with the Haigh resignation.
Craig Munro @crunro.bsky.social
With Heidi Alexander replacing Louise Haigh as transport secretary, the cabinet is now 100% state school educated for the first time in history.
(Sir Keir Starmer's school was a selective state school when he joined, then became private two years into his time there.) |
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Post by The12thMonkey on Nov 29, 2024 14:23:53 GMT
Assisted Dying goes to the next stage by majority of 55
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 29, 2024 14:25:58 GMT
Starmer going through the "aye" lobby as well.
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Post by Dougs on Nov 29, 2024 14:44:06 GMT
PMBs are almost impossible to get through unless adopted by the Govt. Maybe they will after this vote.
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Post by The12thMonkey on Nov 29, 2024 14:45:35 GMT
Well, they agreed to give the committee the power to take evidence, so hopefully that is another point in favour of it being adopted? I'm not a parliamentry nerd, so happy to be corrected.
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 29, 2024 14:47:47 GMT
Think that is the right answer, although also don't know enough about the bill itself to know if it is the right bill with the right level of safeguards. On a purely moral stance, I see it very much in the body autonomy realm and that it should be the right of an individual to decide when their life ends if they are terminally ill.
I do waiver when it comes to those with mental health issues or disabilities and I appreciate the concern around coercion. Although that isn't what this bill is, I heard earlier today there is a debate in the Netherlands at the moment around offering assisted dying to those with mental health conditions, such as people who have tried taking their own life and that does make me feel uneasy. Although you could still argue those people have a right to choose to die if they wish and that should be as painless as possible, you are getting a step closer to something that could very easily be utilised by a state wanting to cut back on other costly treatments.
I also think we need to make a lot of improvements to our palliative care. I know from when my Dad died a few years ago, his treatment in hospital during his final couple of weeks was pretty abysmal. It was during 2020, so pandemic obviously had an effect on that, but I don't have much confidence it would have been much better under normal circumstances.
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Post by simple on Nov 29, 2024 14:57:37 GMT
I think that’s where I am. Instinctively I feel like people should have autonomy over their own bodies.
But at the same time I don’t know enough about this particular bill and (I know its not either/or) the lobbying from disability groups that we need to make living better really do tug at ones conscience.
Like I said earlier, I don’t envy the MPs but its encouraging to see it debated with the seriousness it deserves and not turned into a hot button culture war issue.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 29, 2024 14:59:08 GMT
I think that’s where I am. Instinctively I feel like people should have autonomy over their own bodies. But at the same time I don’t know enough about this particular bill and (I know its not either/or) the lobbying from disability groups that we need to make living better really do tug at ones conscience. Like I said earlier, I don’t envy the MPs but its encouraging to see it debated with the seriousness it deserves and not turned into a hot button culture war issue. Don't worry I'm sure the usual suspects will make it about forrins soon enough. |
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 29, 2024 15:09:15 GMT
Like I said earlier, I don’t envy the MPs but its encouraging to see it debated with the seriousness it deserves and not turned into a hot button culture war issue. Robert Jenrick disagreed and talked bollocks about the ECHR. |
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Post by grey_matters on Nov 29, 2024 15:10:08 GMT
But is it woke or not?!
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 29, 2024 15:10:15 GMT
There we go!
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 29, 2024 15:17:13 GMT
Glancing at the Twitterati (Blueskyati), sounds like it was a very well handled debate, with MPs being incredibly respectively to each other... except for Jenrick who was a nob.
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