|
|
Post by Vandelay on Oct 18, 2024 17:30:13 GMT
Fuck it, throw Levison 2 in there as well. Oh God, yes please! You would think after the first few months of Labour's government* they would have thought about getting that back on agenda. *Not to say their woes have been completely not of Labour's own doing, but it is clear that the press were desperate to stick the knives in as quickly as possible. |
|
|
|
Post by Whizzo on Oct 18, 2024 17:37:09 GMT
The hereditary peers pretty much being done for this week has got so little coverage you'd never know a big change to the way Parliament works was even happening.
|
|
Bongo Heracles
Junior Member
Technically illegal to ride on public land
Posts: 4,634
|
Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 18, 2024 17:56:01 GMT
I think rather than legislate phones 4 kidz the more palatable thing would be to actually start holding feet to the fire for social media. Legislation needs catching up to the entire and we really need to be busting some balls and demanding better.
|
|
zephro
Junior Member
Posts: 3,009
|
Post by zephro on Oct 18, 2024 18:06:57 GMT
While we're at it I want to throw in remote working. This is very London focused. But our grad scheme the kids lived in a random room in a house, better cheaper housing etc. Pre pandemic they used to come in to the office, learn from seniors in person, they all went out together. They would always skank a full round of drinks from the most senior manage in the pub. Remote working they all just sit in rooms in shared houses. It must be absolutely doing their mental health in. You need a government with a large majority to do a kamikaze run, really, who just know they're never going to get a second term and just speed run legislation to get everything done. Fuck it, throw Levison 2 in there as well. E.g. the Atlee government |
|
|
|
Post by Chopsen on Oct 18, 2024 19:17:54 GMT
I think rather than legislate phones 4 kidz the more palatable thing would be to actually start holding feet to the fire for social media. Legislation needs catching up to the entire and we really need to be busting some balls and demanding better. Oh I'd just ban SM outright. Fuck it. If adds nothing. (For the avoidance of doubt, web forums don't count as social media) |
|
|
|
Post by The12thMonkey on Oct 18, 2024 19:39:15 GMT
Fuck it, throw Levison 2 in there as well. Oh God, yes please! You would think after the first few months of Labour's government* they would have thought about getting that back on agenda. *Not to say their woes have been completely not of Labour's own doing, but it is clear that the press were desperate to stick the knives in as quickly as possible. Never a truer word was spoken. Levinson 2 the Sun and Heil and Torygraph into Sol (the star, just so I didn't have to right sun twice). |
|
|
|
Post by technoish on Oct 18, 2024 20:01:52 GMT
I reckon by time my kids get to secondary school it will be abnormal to use SM until late teens/adults.
|
|
minimatt
Junior Member
hyper mediocrity
Posts: 1,684
|
Post by minimatt on Oct 18, 2024 21:20:43 GMT
i'm more pessemistic - for however bad social media is for kids (and i'm less down on this than many) i think many would agree that hardcore porn is far worse - and look how shit a job we've done removing that from kids' experience. if we can't sort that why would you think we can succesfully stop kids talking to their friends on socials
|
|
otto
New Member
Posts: 963
|
Post by otto on Oct 18, 2024 22:36:55 GMT
That’s a genie that is never going back in the bottle
|
|
|
|
Post by Dougs on Oct 18, 2024 22:42:59 GMT
It's such a mess. Legislation will always be two steps behind, regardless of who you put the obligations on. Even if you ban phones, who is going to police it when libertarians decide that little Johnny needs a phone?
|
|
|
|
Post by Vandelay on Oct 18, 2024 23:06:26 GMT
I don't know about the porn. Personally, I'm always kind of amused when I see or hear a journalist around my age acting shocked that 11-13 year olds have seen pornography online. Certainly when I was about that age at the turn of the century, barely anyone of my cohort that had Internet access wouldn't have seen porn. Even if you didn't actively look for it, it was harder to avoid back then.
I would say a much bigger problem is the likes of Andrew Tate, as well as the right wing in general targeting young males. The gender divide on social values is pretty striking amongst the young, with young boys being hugely swayed by traditional values mixed with authoritarian "strong men", whereas girls seem to mostly be continuing the trend of millennials being more liberal.
|
|
|
|
Post by technoish on Oct 19, 2024 0:56:57 GMT
I mean, I also think it won't be normal for younger teens to have smart phones any more. And we will bring back the BBC micro.
|
|
Lizard
Junior Member
I love ploughmans
Posts: 4,485
|
Post by Lizard on Oct 19, 2024 1:57:12 GMT
I mean, I also think it won't be normal for younger teens to have smart phones any more. And we will bring back the BBC micro. If you want social media, then make your own in BASIC |
|
X201
Full Member
Posts: 5,114
Member is Online
|
Post by X201 on Oct 19, 2024 4:32:13 GMT
I mean, I also think it won't be normal for younger teens to have smart phones any more. And we will bring back the BBC micro. If you want social media, then make your own in BASIC No. Just bring back CEEFAX |
|
|
|
Post by Reviewer on Oct 19, 2024 7:11:20 GMT
The biggest difficulty in banning the phones isn't the kids, its the parents who want to be able to contact/track their child 24/7, forgetting that was never a thing when they were kids.
Having a forced break from that and the internet is probably a good thing for mental health, although the internet being a cesspit of racists and worse is a bigger issue that'll continue to be ignored.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dougs on Oct 19, 2024 7:32:55 GMT
Don't disagree. It's funny how quickly it becomes a crutch once your kids are out and about. And silly really. So glad it wasn't a thing in my day. By 13, I was out all day, off into London to go to football, Watford and all sorts from my small commuter belt town in Herts.
|
|
|
|
Post by Reviewer on Oct 19, 2024 7:52:27 GMT
Mine are currently too young anyway but the thought of giving them a device in a few years worth a few hundred pounds seems so unlikely, but I know it'll happen.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mark1412 on Oct 19, 2024 8:11:10 GMT
Don't disagree. It's funny how quickly it becomes a crutch once your kids are out and about. And silly really. So glad it wasn't a thing in my day. By 13, I was out all day, off into London to go to football, Watford and all sorts from my small commuter belt town in Herts. I was in London almost weekly for gigs from about 14, with absolutely no survival or self-preservation instincts, getting back at 1am. Also from a commuter town so decent distance away with limited contact. I look back and can't believe I was allowed to go (on school nights no less!). I teach ten year olds now and about half have a phone and when you ask it's so parents can keep track on the walk home. Some live on the same street as the school and they're city kids who hardly ever go out 🙄. What changed?! I really hope something has changed before my two (4 and 1) are asking for phones. Internet is poison. I'd miss things like this, but given the choice I'd nuke it. /Old man at 35. |
|
|
|
Post by Dougs on Oct 19, 2024 8:57:26 GMT
My folks had no idea what I was doing. I'd bellow "Off to David's house to play computer games" on a Sat morning and then go and stand on the North Bank. Had a paper round which covered the fiver entry, 90p travel card, £1 programme. Was ace.
|
|
sport✅
Junior Member
notice me senpai
I want to claim my tits
Posts: 2,318
|
Post by sport✅ on Oct 19, 2024 9:09:35 GMT
I've been on the streets since I was 5. Literally called my folks last week to let them know I'm ok.
|
|
|
|
Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 19, 2024 9:20:15 GMT
Can we at least recognise the irony in talking about the mental health effects of social media on a forum that a bunch of 40-something males needed to create to allow us to cling together as a disfunctional group of children who never grew up.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dougs on Oct 19, 2024 9:49:18 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Whizzo on Oct 19, 2024 9:51:32 GMT
40 something? Who let the kids in?
|
|
Frog
Full Member
Posts: 7,280
|
Post by Frog on Oct 19, 2024 9:57:17 GMT
Don't worry grandad, sit yourself down it will be lunch time soon. It's your favourite today too, sardine and tomato fish paste with cucumber sandwiches.
|
|
|
|
Post by Whizzo on Oct 19, 2024 10:01:02 GMT
Given I don't eat fish that'd certainly go in the bin.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 19, 2024 10:06:12 GMT
If you do that again you'll lose your spot by the sitting window.
|
|
Frog
Full Member
Posts: 7,280
|
Post by Frog on Oct 19, 2024 10:09:59 GMT
Honestly it's getting difficult to have him here. If he keeps playing up he will have to be moved to a retirement home that's better suited to his needs.
|
|
|
|
Post by Whizzo on Oct 19, 2024 10:20:40 GMT
|
|
Frog
Full Member
Posts: 7,280
|
Post by Frog on Oct 19, 2024 10:27:39 GMT
He loves posting that picture of back when he was 20 bless him.
|
|
nexus6
Junior Member
Posts: 2,527
|
Post by nexus6 on Oct 19, 2024 10:32:57 GMT
He loves posting that picture of back when he was 20 bless him. He loved being thrashed by a country gent in those days |
|
