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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 3, 2024 15:28:13 GMT
"In the months after the Brexit vote, “the establishment in Britain combined with the EU to try and make a nonsense of Brexit and make it impossible to deliver”, he writes."
- Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (Member of The Establishment)
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Post by Saul1138 on Oct 3, 2024 15:40:21 GMT
I have read that he told the four Jedi that he was the establishment. It is a right riveting story.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 3, 2024 15:56:46 GMT
'And it this 'the establishment' in the room with us now?' 'Yes.. it was us and we were fucking useless'
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Post by cubby on Oct 3, 2024 18:33:56 GMT
The beeb just ran an ad for their news programming and how it's battling against disinformation moments before when the kuntsberg interview was scheduled for.
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Post by minimatt on Oct 3, 2024 18:45:46 GMT
my brother mentioned that as a junior press officer he once sent an email saying "press conference went ok, Laura Kuenssberg didn't notice that thing", cc'ing in one Laura Kuenssberg
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Post by Dougs on Oct 3, 2024 18:51:09 GMT
Easily done tbf. I sent an email calling my boss a cunt. To my boss. Could have been very career limiting
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 3, 2024 18:59:12 GMT
Easily done tbf. I sent an email calling my boss a cunt. To my boss. Could have been very career limiting I guess your boss no doubt agreed with your summation.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Oct 3, 2024 19:04:28 GMT
Easily done tbf. I sent an email calling my boss a cunt. To my boss. Could have been very career limiting
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Post by Dougs on Oct 3, 2024 20:34:43 GMT
Easily done tbf. I sent an email calling my boss a cunt. To my boss. Could have been very career limiting I guess your boss no doubt agreed with your summation. He never saw it. I spent a very restless night before going into work early and when he arrived, I said I'd sent a personal email to him by mistake and could I delete it from his (then desktop only) system. He agreed while he made a cuppa and a huge sigh of relief was breathed.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 3, 2024 20:36:09 GMT
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Post by X201 on Oct 4, 2024 4:58:03 GMT
Nearly £22bn pledged for carbon capture projects www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4301n3771oA much better use of the money would be to use it to electrify the whole of the U.K. railway system. Millions of dirty diesel producing journeys eliminated at source.
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Post by Rich on Oct 4, 2024 5:33:31 GMT
I think you're underestimating how much that would cost, and the almost impossible size of the task. Might as well pledge to upgrading all the track, enlarging the tunnels and replacing the bridges at the same time.
Our old Victorian rail network completely fucks trains in this country.
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Post by X201 on Oct 4, 2024 5:50:19 GMT
Not underestimating. I know £22bn would be a drop in the ocean of the total cost. But unless someone actually makes a start it will never get done. CCS is a waste of investment and ongoing costs. Much better to cut the problem at source
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Oct 4, 2024 6:03:47 GMT
For how effective carbon capture actually is, you'd be almost as well of meeting that 22 bill into the sea. Better spent on almost anything else. Carbon capture is comfortable blanket fooling people into imagining we can carry on as we are.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 4, 2024 6:27:43 GMT
There seem to be radically different approaches to carbon capture, that all have different costs and efficiencies, so I have no idea how effective these plans will actually be.
But I guess announcing a couple of large new projects is better in terms of both image, and in terms of job creation and attracting investment, than doing some scheme to encourage people to improve their insulation. (Which governments in the UK seem to have been doing for at least 30 years already).
As for trains, if the government wants to boost investment, jobs, etc... maybe they should pitch the rail franchises to companies in terms of investment/business opportunities at and around stations, rather than the trains themselves. Get companies to commit to upgrading the lines, trains, etc.. and in return they get to develop the land around the stations, open big shopping malls for commuters, housing, etc.. Kill 2-3 birds with one stone.
Maybe they can do that already and just don't, but it always strikes me when I come back to the UK that even major stations have like one coffee stand and a newsagent, whereas over here they'd have 30 restaurants, department stores, etc.. Plus if they build a bunch of houses/apartments next to the station then they've got a captive audience.
I doubt the train companies over here make any profit from tickets, but they make a lot of profit from rents, etc..
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Post by technoish on Oct 4, 2024 7:48:25 GMT
That stuff was all sold off years ago...
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Post by JonFE on Oct 4, 2024 8:01:53 GMT
Would Marshall bung her £600k a year? Which is frankly a baffling amount of money for the work she does. Her what??? I'm in the wrong fucking line of work! What line of work is that exactly?
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Post by Chopsen on Oct 4, 2024 8:25:35 GMT
I don't see it going anywhere. Religious sentimentality would be very much opposed to this. Although strongly religious voices are in the minority, they are *loud*. UK society also finds it very difficult to have a grown up discussion about death. The popular opposition to this is that people would get coerced in to agreeing to it by their relatives. My experience is often the exact opposite is true: relatives have no concept of how frail people can be sometimes; and how futile any medical intervention would be and how suffering is being prolonged and worsed by treatment. On a more personal practical level, the UK legal and regulatory world is happy to throw individual medics under the bus and make them a scapegoat. Dr Hadiza Bawa-Garba is a famous case here. I haver certainly experienced first hand relatives coming out of the woodwork with revisionist interpretation of events after the fact. I don't trust the existing legislation, especially about negligent manslaughter, to be safe for practitioners who do this sort of work. I also don't trust the UK to pass *good* legislation here: the process is too reactive to negative news coverage generally and I see this being a clusterfuck if* it goes anywhere.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 4, 2024 8:49:43 GMT
One of the worst things I ever had to do was watch them keep my old dear going well after she had passed the point where it was just cruel to. She didn't want it, either but my Dad wouldn't let her go. I was always very 'let people do what they want' anyway but that really did laser focus me on respecting the wishes of the person actually affected.
But I suppose for a lot of people its one of those things that is 'well, I've always been against it until it affected me personally'
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Post by Vortex on Oct 4, 2024 9:33:33 GMT
I think it should absolutely be allowed. With some degree of safe-guarding obviously, but the amount of people who have to die in pain is ridiculous.
Watching my wife's dad waste away from pancreatic cancer definitely sharpened my mind on this. It's amazing how long the body can go when you can't eat and are in massive pain. You would not let your pet suffer like that, so why a human?
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Post by The12thMonkey on Oct 4, 2024 9:46:18 GMT
When my dad was in hospital at the end, we all knew that he didn't want to be kept going. He'd much rather have died at home in his bed, but he never got that chance. But when the doctors said he was only being kept alive mechanically, my mum, sister, and I were all in agreement that we should let him go. He had never wanted this, but wasn't in a position to choose for himself any more.
I can really see how difficult those conversations could be fraught for some families, but as chopsen mentioned, honest conversations about the end of life are something we as a country could all be better at. I hope debate over this bill would allow for that. Naive, maybe, but a necessary discussion to have.
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Post by minimatt on Oct 4, 2024 13:04:43 GMT
i really blow hot and cold on this. i'm sure i've said before, my fear is that the ideal is absolutely top notch end of life care and that's already a real fight to obtain - when there's a quick streamlined process for ending a life and a fucking slog to let that life come to its end in comfort we may end up taking time away from people
there will naturally be as many compelling cases pointing to the opposite. if the mooted procedure of 2 doctors plus a high court judge is put in place then my guess would be this'd limit cases to a few hundred a year which i probably wouldn't have a problem with
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 4, 2024 14:11:38 GMT
One step in the right direction for rail passengers:
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 4, 2024 14:21:45 GMT
Er... that's a weird choice.
Surely that's income that supports the train company, and if they lose that they're just going to have to either cut services or increase prices.
You'd think they'd be wanting to stick way more advertising on the trains to enable them to keep ticket costs down, ... but maybe I'm just used to all the ads in trains and stations over here.
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Post by zephro on Oct 4, 2024 14:52:00 GMT
National Rail operates the stations so it's government money. The point remains on it saving some money but it's a drop in the ocean for the overall budget.
The problem with Euston is how late they declare the fucking platforms. That's why there's a crush anytime. Well that and everything is so fucked that seat reservations are just worthless.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 4, 2024 14:56:03 GMT
National Rail operates the stations so it's government money. The point remains on it saving some money but it's a drop in the ocean for the overall budget. The problem with Euston is how late they declare the fucking platforms. That's why there's a crush anytime. Well that and everything is so fucked that seat reservations are just worthless. The late platform thing hasn't changed then. I remember missing a train from there because we were waiting for the platform to come up, and when it did we didn't get there in time. That was probably 30 years ago.
The way the responsibilities for different things like trains, tracks, stations, etc.. are divided up makes so little sense. No wonder nothing gets decent investment.
It might be a drop in the ocean for the overall budget, but it probably covers some guy who cleans the toilets or something.
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Post by zephro on Oct 4, 2024 15:09:32 GMT
The fundamental problem with Euston is that the platforms are on a narrow(ISH) corridor. All the talks of rebuilding the station revolve around how pretty it is. The only thing they need to do is create more internal space around the platform entrances.
Fuck the Doric arch.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 4, 2024 22:38:57 GMT
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Post by gibroon on Oct 4, 2024 23:09:00 GMT
Did anyone see the 22.1 billion pound investment that Labour announced for carbon capture?
It's a bit galling that there's a black hole in the budget of 22 billion but the tax payer is going to fund the oil and gas industry for this.
Yes, the industry that pumps ludicrous amount of shit into the atmosphere are needing help to clean up there act.
This is absolutely absurd. The whole idea is fundamentally flawed and very much a back of a fag packet idea that many scientists think is unobtainable for the proposed gain but makes it look like the oil and gas industry is giving a shit.
Ridiculous.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 4, 2024 23:27:59 GMT
The 22 billion is over 25 years so it's not all in one go, whether carbon capture actually works seems to be debatable.
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