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Post by knighty on Jul 20, 2024 17:40:33 GMT
Mr "we should talk about upskirting before banning it". Who the fuck thought that was a good idea Isn’t he generally (as much as a Tory can) coming from a good place - ie he votes against thing that haven’t gone through due process and procedure? Basically the lawful neutral of the political world. |
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Post by Danno on Jul 20, 2024 17:44:27 GMT
Mr "we should talk about upskirting before banning it". Who the fuck thought that was a good idea Isn’t he generally (as much as a Tory can) coming from a good place - ie he votes against thing that haven’t gone through due process and procedure? Basically the lawful neutral of the political world. I think you're right but it's a dreadful issue to get antsy about. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 21, 2024 1:20:58 GMT
I thought he was the one who routinely blocked everything. Seems a strange choice for a speaker. Though i guess maybe they thought the only way to get him to stop blocking debates was to put him in charge of running smooth debates?
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Post by X201 on Jul 21, 2024 6:03:04 GMT
Isn’t he generally (as much as a Tory can) coming from a good place - ie he votes against thing that haven’t gone through due process and procedure? Basically the lawful neutral of the political world. I think you're right but it's a dreadful issue to get antsy about. He did the bill and its supporters a massive favour. The first version of it was a private member’s bill, a badly drafted one at that by all accounts. It had loopholes and evidential thresholds that would have meant it would have been very difficult for the police to enforce and even harder to get a conviction under. Chope was always in favour of the bill, he did what he did to make it actually work as a law. But.Twitter. Rage. The truth still putting its trousers on. etc. Edit: Just to be clear. I think he’s a rabid Thatcherite twat when it comes to everything else |
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 21, 2024 7:22:04 GMT
My favourite statement from a guy at work this week. "I'm not a tory but I think they were doing a good job."
There's no part of that sentence that makes sense to me.
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Post by cubby on Jul 21, 2024 7:24:31 GMT
Unless he's a nihilist, then that sentence makes complete sense.
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Post by Frog on Jul 21, 2024 7:51:33 GMT
Or an onanist.
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Post by dmukgr on Jul 21, 2024 8:08:01 GMT
The Tory’s were doing a good job though - they achieved in the main what they set out to do.
Just because rational, caring and thoughtful people don’t like their self interest leadership, and would prefer to live in a country that is improving rather than being sold down the river, doesn’t change that.
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Post by richardiox on Jul 21, 2024 8:47:44 GMT
My favourite statement from a guy at work this week. "I'm not a tory but I think they were doing a good job." There's no part of that sentence that makes sense to me. I'd love to know by what conceivable metric he came up with that conclusion. |
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Post by clemfandango on Jul 21, 2024 10:32:52 GMT
My favourite statement from a guy at work this week. "I'm not a tory but I think they were doing a good job." There's no part of that sentence that makes sense to me. I'd love to know by what conceivable metric he came up with that conclusion. It’s called the I can’t stand Labour metric |
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Post by TheSaint on Jul 21, 2024 10:52:06 GMT
I mean if you have no kids, are in good health with a decent paying job and your only metric of success is your house being worth more money then I guess you could somehow come up with that logic.
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Post by clemfandango on Jul 21, 2024 10:56:04 GMT
I mean if you have no kids, are in good health with a decent paying job and your only metric of success is your house being worth more money then I guess you could somehow come up with that logic. His mortgage would need to be fixed before Liz truss for 5 years so he doesn’t get hit with the massive payment increases most people have now. |
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Post by cubby on Jul 21, 2024 11:20:36 GMT
Yeah I fit all those criteria and my lot is definitely worse than it was 5 years ago, even despite having some nice pay increases.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 21, 2024 15:16:32 GMT
He’s in a well paying job but he has three kids that have just finished uni and his wife is a headteacher. He has no mortgage.
He is a bit dim so I think that might his only defence. He also thinks reform will get loads more seats next time.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 21, 2024 15:22:55 GMT
That does all depend on if Nige can be arsed to visit hid constituency now and then.
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Post by zephro on Jul 21, 2024 15:31:47 GMT
Damn it someone at a Tory think tank talking sense, stop them now! www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/21/tories-false-choice-reform-lib-dems-voters-onward-thinktankSort of like the whole horse-shoe thing being a misnomer because right/left isn't actually that meaningful. As people just have a bunch of values, a bunch of things that are currently bothering/saliant to them and whoever speaks to that best, or at least the most often to the largest number of people, kinda wins. Or to go all Aristotle whoever most effectively applies logos, pathos and ethos to those problems is gonna win out. People just triangulating left/right, or claiming anyone who moves left/right is a fake/traitor/secret whatever, are all effectively just being thick. While say Conservatism/Liberalism/Socialism/Social Democracy/Environmentalism are all actually just distinct ideas about how one might order or conceive of society that are in competition with one another. |
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Post by Chopsen on Jul 21, 2024 20:09:46 GMT
"Think immigration is too and not really liking Starmer" is not really a viable policy platform though, is it?
I think the bigger problem they have is more basic: they have no credibility, even among those that would consider voting for them. This comes before any policy or messaging is going to fall flat before it makes any headway because most people's responses are going to be incredulity.
They need time to promote some new faces and for people to forget how annoyed they are. Even the anti immigration lot are going to realise they failed to deliver on their rhetoric around immigration for the duration of their time in power, so why would they trust them on that now?
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Post by Danno on Jul 21, 2024 20:18:10 GMT
That does all depend on if Nige can be arsed to visit hid constituency now and then. But what if he gets a brown milkshake next time, he'll have to leave the party |
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Post by zephro on Jul 21, 2024 20:47:12 GMT
"Think immigration is too and not really liking Starmer" is not really a viable policy platform though, is it? I think the bigger problem they have is more basic: they have no credibility, even among those that would consider voting for them. This comes before any policy or messaging is going to fall flat before it makes any headway because most people's responses are going to be incredulity. They need time to promote some new faces and for people to forget how annoyed they are. Even the anti immigration lot are going to realise they failed to deliver on their rhetoric around immigration for the duration of their time in power, so why would they trust them on that now? Yeah the specifics weren't great to be fair. But going off and working out a coherent set of messages based on some actual principles or thought, instead of panic lurching right/left, is a decent "plan". Even if the 2 specific things they pulled out aren't anything on their own. Basically I wanted 5, ideally 10 years, of them fucking around doing stupid things. Before eventually sitting down and having a think. Agree with the other points. Though the likes of Jenrick are just going to to double down on the immigration thing before the penny drops and be even more ridiculous and less credible. Hopefully for a while. |
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Post by simple on Jul 21, 2024 22:59:16 GMT
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Post by zephro on Jul 22, 2024 8:54:15 GMT
I do rate Burnham but my problem with him is he sometimes lazily starts slagging off London. Not Westminster, but actual London. Like he's playing one place off the other. So I'm never sure how he'd come over with a national electorate.
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Post by clemfandango on Jul 22, 2024 8:57:21 GMT
He’s in a well paying job but he has three kids that have just finished uni and his wife is a headteacher. He has no mortgage. He is a bit dim so I think that might his only defence. He also thinks reform will get loads more seats next time. Ahh so he's just the classic conservative closet racist, I know a few of them too. |
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 22, 2024 12:13:26 GMT
Breaking news from the Farnborough Air Show on Sky and not The Day Today.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 22, 2024 15:09:37 GMT
In summary I think what Cooper is saying is WTF?!
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jul 22, 2024 17:04:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 17:38:05 GMT
Gosh that Rwanda video has made me cross.
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Post by cubby on Jul 22, 2024 17:48:44 GMT
Boris Johnson's legacy right there.
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Post by simple on Jul 22, 2024 17:56:54 GMT
Very encouraging that Labour are shining a light on the corruption and waste that the Tories were indulging in.
I hope the messaging carries through that its stuff like this and not Sharon down the road having a third kid which has been screwing the country.
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Post by simple on Jul 22, 2024 18:10:53 GMT
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Post by Danno on Jul 22, 2024 18:19:37 GMT
Quite tempted to see about applying for the covid task force if it gets that far.
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