UK Politics Thread

The fact that 47% of Conservative members think they should merge with Reform both surprises me, and also somehow doesn't surprise me at all.

I'd imagine more than 50% of Conservative voters read the Daily Mail, so am not very surprised. Hopefully when the morons install Farage as leader any remaining vaguely human Con voters will final abandon the stinking ship.

Now that the dust has settled, don't you find it concerning that the actual votes Labour got in the GE were less than their 2019 ones and that the total votes Tories and Farage got would put them above Labour had they combined forces before the GE? I know they probably would not, given the total shitshow Tories displayed, but it doesn't bode well for any future elections IMHO.

Also, between 2019 and 2024, a lot new voters should have been added, young voters that Tories did not cater for while in the government and should be displeased, yet they didn't choose to vote against them (because young people do not believe in politics?); isn't that troubling?

Not really as there was a lot of tactical voting going on.

Labour's vote share didn't really increase, but there were a lot more smaller parties gaining vote share. 

I never really got the argument about as time passing more liberal young people will appear, because that's never happened before. More younger voters come in, but all the other voters age up. People becoming more right wing as they get older isn't a 100% truth, but there is some truth to it. Plus younger people are probably more right wing these days due to social media. 

Braverman doesn't seem to be against it. But no-one likes her. 

Who could have predicted they'd fall out so fast?

Wasn’t turnout overall down on 2017 and 2019?

Given that, traditionally, non-voters tend to split along almost the exact same lines as voters (there is no silent majority), it doesn’t feel overly worrying that Labour received fewer votes if the share held up. I think the nation is just broadly exhausted by politics right now.



And in more “what if government just did its job” news - the FT is reporting that Job Centres are already being refocussed on helping people with their careers and finding jobs than benefit policing and dishing out punishments.

FFS. As well as being a cunt, he's far better at this than I'll ever be.

Ed Miliband has announced an immediate ban on North Sea oil.

Loving his chaos clean energy

Dark angel ain't bad. But he's boshed the Corax white on that Ulti.

Ever since 97 the tories have had a problem with two wings under one banner. 2010 Cameron and Clegg were a reaction to the financial crisis, 2015 they managed to get the racist wing vote via the brexit referendum which gave them full power. 2019 again with getting brexit done and also the brexit party not standing against tory seats.

Now that they don't have brexit to play with and the gloves are off with reform the party is losing that vital racist vote to farage. As long as reform don't repeat 2019 by standing aside in tory seats, I don't see the tories really making any gains again in the next 20 years. But I wouldn't be surprised if reform do do that again to be honest.

I think people like my father-in-law, who is a Classic Tory, would be happy for most of them to fuck off and join reform.

He’s very much that old school small government, work hard, get rewarded brand of conservatism rather than the reactionary, isolationist clown show the party has evolved into. I suppose one of them has to rip the plaster off and leave for pastures new.

Hypothetical question here...

However unlikely, say Suella Braverman were expelled from the Tory party and welcomed with open arms by Reform. Would that mean her seat in Fareham and Waterlooville would becoime a Reform seat or would her being expelled mean she loses the seat?