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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 13, 2021 11:26:30 GMT
We'll see...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 14:10:33 GMT
A quick summary (more or less) of the previous 850 pages would be fuck the fucking Tories into the fucking sun, forever, except they will be in power until we are all dead and gone, because to be an effective politician in these new post-truth times, you need to be an utter, utter cunt, and they have dozens of world class cunts, with more being trained up every day.
(and admittedly, the fuckwits at Labour rarely help matters)
Con +4, common decency and honesty, and the critical thinking of the populace -1,000,000
Edit - you can have an optional edit reason. This place really has got everything
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Post by clemfandango on Aug 13, 2021 16:03:48 GMT
I wonder if Craigy will come on here and admit he voted for Brexit?
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Post by Dougs on Aug 15, 2021 20:13:34 GMT
Depressing events in Afghanistan. Precipitated by terrible foreign policy by the UK and US.
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Post by Matt A on Aug 15, 2021 20:46:38 GMT
Yeah terrible. Like watching a car crash.
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Post by Dgzter on Aug 15, 2021 20:47:45 GMT
It's genuinely awful watching the footage. The scenes at the Hamid Karzai airport are insane. Utter chaos.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 15, 2021 20:49:52 GMT
These last couple of years really have been something else.
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Post by Matt A on Aug 15, 2021 20:50:11 GMT
The Ken Burns documentary about Vietnam at the end springs to mind. Leaving the country to be overrun
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Post by Dgzter on Aug 15, 2021 20:59:55 GMT
Yeah, I suspect that image of the helicopter hovering over the roof of the embassy in Kabul, and the obvious parallels it draws with Saigon, will be very difficult for Biden's administration to shake:
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Post by simple on Aug 15, 2021 23:42:43 GMT
Less than stoked to know someone who is over there at the moment
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Post by Dougs on Aug 16, 2021 6:58:58 GMT
Less than stoked to know someone who is over there at the moment Yeah, I know a few vets who were over there 20 years ago. Their view is now "what was the point". Of course, most of their anger and frustration is not directed at the UK and US governments... |
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Post by simple on Aug 16, 2021 7:47:22 GMT
My little brother fought in Iraq and Afghanistan and we’ve got friends who were injured out there and ultimately both missions feel like they’ve essentially fallen apart for little real gain
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 16, 2021 7:56:17 GMT
There aren’t many conflicts of the last 60 years where there’s been any real gain (excluding getting rich from them). This one is one of the biggest wastes of people’s lives and resources for that though.
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Post by simple on Aug 16, 2021 11:31:54 GMT
The scenes at the airport are getting scary. How long before things completely fall apart and the shooting starts?
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Post by hedben on Aug 16, 2021 11:48:27 GMT
I saw a few takes on Twitter saying "this is all Trump's fault, he agreed to it months ago" but surely Biden could have undone that? Otherwise what's the point of being the president?
I reckon Biden wanted to get out, saw an opportunity to do it quickly while blaming his predecessor for the consequences, and took it. But yeah, desperate people falling from plane wheels, or being executed in the street, isn't the look he was going for.
EDIT- ...or actually maybe he knew and didn't care
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Post by simple on Aug 16, 2021 11:58:29 GMT
I think they were pulling out regardless of who was in charge. I suspect that they didn’t think it would fall apart until after they got home.
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 16, 2021 12:01:24 GMT
Biden could have reversed it, politically it would have been about as bad for him being the President that decided to keep their people in the country.
Hard to say whether it would have better or worse, it seems unlikely they were ever going to ‘fix’ Afghanistan.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Aug 16, 2021 12:09:22 GMT
"it's sad that the West has done what's it's done."
What government are you a member of again?
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Post by Danno on Aug 16, 2021 12:45:01 GMT
Real shades of this
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Post by simple on Aug 16, 2021 12:48:56 GMT
Its kind of no surprise that we wouldn’t get everyone at risk out even before things went to immediate shit. I don’t know if we even managed it with Iraq and that was a lengthy broadly peaceful withdrawal.
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Post by Lionheart on Aug 16, 2021 13:14:47 GMT
Biden could have reversed it, politically it would have been about as bad for him being the President that decided to keep their people in the country. Hard to say whether it would have better or worse, it seems unlikely they were ever going to ‘fix’ Afghanistan. It’s a place that will always be a law unto itself and multiple complex factors make it what it is. History has sadly been repeated and the loss of life is tragic. Really good basic summary for anyone interested here: youtu.be/Ab9zK8yT4_Y20 years of effort undone in a week but the Taliban have been patiently waiting and planning for this for years. An awful situation all around, the scenes at the airport are heartbreaking. |
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Post by Duffking on Aug 16, 2021 13:16:45 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Aug 16, 2021 13:20:45 GMT
"Routledge said he had been questioned by the Taliban about where he was from - he told them he was from Wales, adding they did not know where Wales was, so let him go."
That bit properly cracked me up.
What an utter tool.
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Post by Danno on Aug 16, 2021 13:23:16 GMT
Getting jihadded to own the libs
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Post by Dgzter on Aug 16, 2021 13:23:59 GMT
Just how fucking stupid can you be
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Post by simple on Aug 16, 2021 13:48:01 GMT
Absolute prick
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Post by 😎 on Aug 16, 2021 14:20:29 GMT
“I’m very religious”
Maybe God should have given you a sign not to go like, I dunno, the literal signs saying not to go.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 16, 2021 15:00:57 GMT
Physics student goes to Afghanistan. A Schrödinger's Prick if you will.
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Post by technoish on Aug 16, 2021 15:30:52 GMT
I clearly don't know the situation but don't we have bombs we could just drop on the baddies? How have the medieval Taliban not been obliterated by our advanced tech?
This must be a major win for Putin, yet again. Fucksake with his shithousery.
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Post by simple on Aug 16, 2021 18:01:37 GMT
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