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Post by wunty on Sept 24, 2024 14:54:11 GMT
Pass. Heresy, I know, but they are just too old to be remastered, they need a remake. As much as I loved them, especially Soul Reaver, I've got no real desire to ruin the memories by playing a PS1 era 3D game with nicer graphics. Indeed. Tried to play Soul Reaver 1 not too long ago and it was... difficult, to say the least. A lot of these old games simply don't play well now because we are used to better.
I'll still buy it though. Because I'm a twat.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 24, 2024 14:56:13 GMT
Hmm... Personally would almost always take a remaster over a remake. Just make another game if you are going to change gameplay or recreate everything. Same way I would rather watch an old film in black and white, but maybe with the image with less blemishes and the sound clearer, rather than for it to be remade entirely with modern cast and crew (or worse, colourised!).
I want to experience old games (particularly those I haven't played before, such as the Soul Reaver games) the way they were intended to be experienced by the original developers. Up the resolution, maybe use higher resolution textures, but keep the art, controls and gameplay the same.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 24, 2024 15:00:48 GMT
In terms of game preservation, this is fine. It hasn't been available for.. 20 odd years. And I presume it'll be priced accordingly? I imagine the same price as the Tomb Raider collection.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 24, 2024 15:04:50 GMT
Hmm... Personally would almost always take a remaster over a remake. Just make another game if you are going to change gameplay or recreate everything. Same way I would rather watch an old film in black and white, but maybe with the image with less blemishes and the sound clearer, rather than for it to be remade entirely with modern cast and crew (or worse, colourised!). I want to experience old games (particularly those I haven't played before, such as the Soul Reaver games) the way they were intended to be experienced by the original developers. Up the resolution, maybe use higher resolution textures, but keep the art, controls and gameplay the same. I prefer Nightdive's way of doing things because while it's fine to have just a simple uprez some games from long ago are just straight up unplayable by today's standards usually in terms of bugs that were never patched, controls that have never heard of accessibility for people with disabilities and 9/10 a terrible camera that you had to live with. I think that's what a good remaster should do, just increasing the resolution and wanting 40/50 quid is just a piss take.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 24, 2024 15:06:54 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 24, 2024 15:12:33 GMT
Oh totally, price should be changed accordingly. A minimum effort remaster should only be £20-25 at most, which, I think, is what Night Dive normally charge for their very well done releases. Reminds me, I really need to get around to their remaster of Dark Forces I have sitting on my drive.
I always like those remasters that let you switch between the original look of the game and the new look, such as the Tomb Raider ones and the Monkey Island ones.
Good point on accessibility. Ideally, those options could be built on top of the existing game, although I would guess that wouldn't always be possible.
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 24, 2024 15:23:06 GMT
Remaster the remasters, obviously
"Reissue, repackage, repackage Reevaluate the games Double pack with a statuette
Paid DLC and a tacky skin."
Ahem. Sorry!
Personally, I find the existence of these Soul Reaver remasters far easier to justify than those of Horizon, Days Gone, etc. - the former games aren't playable on modern consoles, while the latter are. From a game preservation standpoint, if nothing else, that's nice to see.
I'd rather have full-on remakes than simple remasters, but I guess there isn't always the budget.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Sept 24, 2024 15:24:27 GMT
Looks alright to me but I like olde worlde looking graphics and thought the Tomb Raider remasters were really well done. Never played them though. It's one of those things that everyone seems to have played and loves but completely passed me by for some reason. Know bugger all about it. It's like when people start reminiscing about the Amiga or Commodore 64. I have no idea what I was doing around those times
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 24, 2024 15:31:56 GMT
Hmm... Personally would almost always take a remaster over a remake. Just make another game if you are going to change gameplay or recreate everything. Same way I would rather watch an old film in black and white, but maybe with the image with less blemishes and the sound clearer, rather than for it to be remade entirely with modern cast and crew (or worse, colourised!). Its not quite the same. There isn't really an era of cinema they are now remastering in 4K where the movies are basically unwatchable. Remaster Sonic The Hedgehog, fine, but that brief era of 3D games are as janky as hell and play like shit. But, yeah, whatever, I know a lot of people don't care or battle through because its authentic. Its just not for me and stuff like this just seems like a lazy cash grab.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 24, 2024 15:33:48 GMT
Ding ding ding!
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 24, 2024 15:47:50 GMT
I mean its an Embracer published product.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 24, 2024 15:50:54 GMT
Hmm... Personally would almost always take a remaster over a remake. Just make another game if you are going to change gameplay or recreate everything. Same way I would rather watch an old film in black and white, but maybe with the image with less blemishes and the sound clearer, rather than for it to be remade entirely with modern cast and crew (or worse, colourised!). Its not quite the same. There isn't really an era of cinema they are now remastering in 4K where the movies are basically unwatchable. Remaster Sonic The Hedgehog, fine, but that brief era of 3D games are as janky as hell and play like shit. There are plenty of people that won't watch an old film because it is in black and white or because it has black bars. Away from technical issues, there will be even more that will find the old style of acting unwatchable or find old films too slowly paced or too stagey, etc, etc. As with many of those issues, games have seen objective improvements. Different people have different tolerances though. And, as I said before, if you are putting in the effort to update mechanics and controls, then you might as well just make a whole new game. What I really do object to with remakes is that the originals often end up disappearing. Take the Resident Evil remakes, where up until very recently you could no longer buy the original Resident Evil 2 (it has just in the last month or so been added to GoG, with 3 coming soon).
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 24, 2024 16:03:56 GMT
The Resi remakes are the perfect example, yeah. The fact that they are so good is what makes stuff like this more disappointing.
I do get it, I just don't have that mindset at all. I don't tend to replay games, much less old ones and I don't really care about them vanishing into the ether so I would take them being new and shiny over old and shiny every time. Horses for courses and all that but I am just not a retro kind of person.
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Post by X201 on Sept 24, 2024 16:06:26 GMT
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Post by zisssou on Sept 24, 2024 16:14:53 GMT
What’s the alternative? Emulation? This is the best way to play these old games. Aspyr games are generally cheap too.
If you’ve tried any of the PS Plus Premium games… I’d rather play Aspyr over what Sony has done.
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Post by JonFE on Sept 24, 2024 16:24:26 GMT
I certainly like what Capcom did with the Resident Evil remakes (maybe they should have given RE3 remake more content, but hey) and surely remakes like Demon's Souls or Shadow of the Colossus have a place in my games library, but I'm not so sure about remastering games of the previous generation that are still perfectly playable on today's hardware... ...unless it's Bloodborne; I'll bite BB remaster/remake/whatever out of your hands
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Post by Frog on Sept 24, 2024 16:40:00 GMT
I'm in the it needs a remake camp. Brilliant game for it's time but it needs too much doing to bring it up to today's standards.
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Post by pierrepressure on Sept 24, 2024 17:58:11 GMT
I absolutely loved my time with SR1&2 and I think in this case a basic remaster is OK though I always prefer a remake that brings the game up to modern standards.
Not sure where I stand on changing bits from the original or being a faithful remake though.
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Post by X201 on Sept 24, 2024 21:57:23 GMT
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 24, 2024 21:58:56 GMT
1 minute to disappointment ?
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Post by richardiox on Sept 24, 2024 22:01:22 GMT
MEGATON
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Post by X201 on Sept 24, 2024 22:03:19 GMT
Astrobot DLC will be the lead item “And here’s some other stuff” Called it! 😆
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Post by richardiox on Sept 24, 2024 22:05:06 GMT
Framerate on this VR game is well janky for the character animation
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 24, 2024 22:07:12 GMT
Hell is Us looks cool
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Post by X201 on Sept 24, 2024 22:08:05 GMT
VR version of Metro
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Post by X201 on Sept 24, 2024 22:09:59 GMT
Fable with gore
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Post by richardiox on Sept 24, 2024 22:11:05 GMT
Hell is Us Archeage
Is it just me or do both of those just seem to be really blatant mashups of other games and as such generic and unoriginal even though both could be potentially great.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 24, 2024 22:13:07 GMT
Hell is Us Archeage Is it just me or do both of those just seem to be really blatant mashups of other games and as such generic and unoriginal even though both could be potentially great. Can spot a generic UE style run animation a mile off
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 24, 2024 22:14:44 GMT
ooh tilt shifted open world ... uuurgh jrpg battle system
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Post by paulyboy81 on Sept 24, 2024 22:16:38 GMT
Hell is Us Archeage Is it just me or do both of those just seem to be really blatant mashups of other games and as such generic and unoriginal even though both could be potentially great. It's not you, there's a deluge of 3rd person fantasy soulslikes or melee action games of late it feels like. Although like you say, could still be great mind you, I thoroughly enjoyed Flintlock recently for example.
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