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Post by Fake_Blood on May 24, 2023 11:45:25 GMT
Man you really have to look at all the numbers these days, they’ve put a 128 bit memory bus on the 4060 range, which besides hampering the performance means you can only have 8 or 16GB vram on there, 4070 has 192 bit which means you can have 12GB. DF was talking about it, a 12GB 4060ti for $450 would make so much sense.
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Post by Vandelay on May 24, 2023 16:22:48 GMT
And now my continual 4080 price watch spies one for £1049. Deduct the cost of Diablo 4 (which I'm buying anyway) and that is now at the magic sub £1000 price point I was waiting on.
Would I be right in assuming I could likely get about £300 for my 2080 Super? Does the £700 seem worth the upgrade?
Mostly do 1440p and it would be nice to be able to go max with ray tracing at that res and not require DLSS. I do have a 4K TV near my PC which I use occasionally for games, but currently can't generally do native resolution. 4K ray tracing with DLSS would likely be quite achievable with this card too (or non-RT without DLSS).
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on May 24, 2023 17:04:56 GMT
VandelayIt's certainly a very capable card and (new shitty ports notwithstanding) it should nearly everything quite easily. Obfuscating the cost behind the sale of your old card and 'diablo' is a great way to mentally get behind the cost so I think I'd be happy with £700ish. I wouldn't have bought the 4090 if I hadn't done similar with my old 3080. Getting it for a grand while still steep allowed me to mentally get onboard .
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Post by Vandelay on May 24, 2023 17:24:54 GMT
The only reason I could justify to myself spending £800 on a GPU last time was the idea of selling it to be able to buy another top tier card for around £500 4 years later. I didn't take into consideration that Nvidia would increase the cost of the equivalent card by more than 50%!
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Post by Vandelay on May 26, 2023 9:18:19 GMT
Ah bugger. Was going to put the order in over the weekend, but price has gone up on that card by £100. Cheapest I can find is now back to £1099 (Overclockers again, not sure why they seem to have these cheaper - everywhere else is sticking to not dropping much below RRP). Perhaps there will be bank holiday deals.
At over a grand, there really doesn't seem much point in going for the 4080 over the 4090. Which I'm sure is the point. I probably already would have gone all in, if it weren't for likely needing a new PSU and maybe even a case for a 4090.
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 26, 2023 9:29:43 GMT
The only issue I've really had so far since building my machine was the incredibly quick death of the CMOS battery, but the reports about ASUS quality control have got me quite worried. My motherboard, PSU and GPU are all ASUS ROG ones.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on May 26, 2023 14:34:27 GMT
I think there might be some potential US price changes for 30 series. Wonder if they'll translat over here if true
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Post by Vandelay on May 26, 2023 15:38:32 GMT
Seems that it is mostly the effect of the lower end 40 series cards coming out now, which are... well... maybe not sensibly priced, but at least not £100s overpriced. You would think we would see similar here too, as stores surely want to be getting rid of their stock of 30 series cards.
Think he is right to question how much Nvidia are really going to care about consumers gnashing their teeth at pricing, when they are raking it in elsewhere with their AI stuff. Their partners and the tech stores might get pissed off, but not sure how much incentive Nvidia are going to have to reduce prices on new products.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on May 29, 2023 17:48:10 GMT
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Post by uiruki on May 29, 2023 18:15:36 GMT
That’s an interesting form of lock-in, putting a connector on the motherboard. I initially though it was just going to run off the PCIE slot power of 75W like the old 750Ti did!
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Post by stixxuk on May 30, 2023 16:39:42 GMT
Still haven't convinced myself to buy a new PC.
It's the monitor and graphics card that are holding me back now.
I can get the AW3423DWF QD OLED for £830 with an offer. Seems like good value but everyone's whinging about its HDR1000 implementation. I'm thinking HDR400 is probably fine, and if they fix the 1000 with a firmware update (they say it's in the works but far from certain if they haven't fixed it by now).
Then I was looking at getting a 7900 XT to go with it - but flip-flopping on whether DLSS and frame gen are worth it to go nVidia and get 4070 Ti with its measly 12gb VRAM. Also apparently you can do some stuff to make the monitor work better with nVidia... Think it's literally just the ram pushing me to go AMD.
Not good at spending money on things, me!
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Post by Vandelay on May 30, 2023 18:26:37 GMT
It's a tough one. 12Gb is probably ok for now at 1440p, but games are eating up almost that right now (admittedly, badly optimised games). Nvidia also gives you better upscaling and ray tracing, with the former adding some extra life to the card.
I would say though, if you aren't interested in ray tracing right now, the AMD is probably slightly better choice. Drivers are giving them even better performances than the initial benchmarks and, obviously, there is the RAM advantage.
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Post by stixxuk on May 30, 2023 20:08:55 GMT
Oo just seen a 4070 ti for £670 on hukd... Tempting!
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Post by uiruki on May 30, 2023 20:53:37 GMT
I have the non-F Alienware OLED, the one with the ‘good’ 1000 nit mode, and to be honest I only use it in 400 mode anyway. The contrast ends up doing a lot of the heavy lifting and the screen at full brightness can still make me shield my eyes so I think it’s sufficient. As a result I get much less ABL, and I don’t have to think too hard about changing modes.
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Post by stixxuk on Jun 2, 2023 14:29:42 GMT
Sod it, getting the DWF Alienware and a 7800 XT. Looks actually fairly decent at ray tracing performance, lots of VRAM, and it sounds as though FSR3 is on the way with frame gen. No reason to go nVidia now.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 2, 2023 14:37:05 GMT
Nice. I'm sure that will do great.
Mentioned to a pal about me eyeing a new GPU and they've just let me know they would be interested in taking my current one off me. Good to know I have a buyer and don't have to worry about sorting out eBay.
Now I just have to see if I can get a good deal on a 4080 or if I just go all in on the 4090.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jun 6, 2023 8:02:35 GMT
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Post by jimnastics on Jun 6, 2023 8:07:11 GMT
So all this news means current GPUs and second-hand market prices should fall, right? I'm after a GPU for my kids' gaming PC, only needs 1080p at medium, hoping to spend less than £150! Directx 12 is the big looming problem, the old 280x in there now doesn't support it.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 6, 2023 8:43:27 GMT
Not sure if the Super news is being reported anywhere else, so I would just assume it is nonsense until we see something more official. It is possible, seeing as they took that direction with the 20-series after a similar flop of a launch, but those timeframes feel quite close to when they would be gearing up for a 50-series. The 20-series supers were released less than year after the regular cards, with a little over a year before the announcement of the 30-series.
Plus, looking at the video, the pricing is complete speculation, so can be ignored.
£150 seems doable for a 1080p medium settings card, as long as you are happy going second hand. AMD might be a little easier, but I would think you could get a 10-series or a lower end 20-series for that kind of money and it would likely be fine (depending on the games).
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Post by BeetrootBertie on Jun 6, 2023 9:26:02 GMT
Maybe a GTX 1650 might do? Seems to support DX12 and be sufficient for 1080 medium, unless a better value AMD card (or 2nd hand option) can be had.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 6, 2023 10:49:53 GMT
Yeah, 1650 would likely be a good bet. Can be had new for about £150.
Does depend on games though. If it is absolutely anything, up to something like Cyberpunk or Hogwarts Legacy, it will be closer 30fps than 60fps on medium (you didn't mention frame rate target, so that might be fine). If you are just looking at things like Fortnite, Roblox and Lego games than 1650 would be perfect.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 8, 2023 13:54:13 GMT
Well, this feels like a mistake, but I've got an order in nice and quickly. Just under £890 for a 4080, along with a copy of Diablo 4. www.box.co.uk/RTX-4080-16GB-GAMING-X-TRIO-MSI-GeForce-RTX-4080-16GB-GAMING-X-TRIO-_4348368.htmlAlthough this is the price the card should be, the cheapest I've seen anywhere else has been £1100, normally without Diablo. Think I've used Box before without issues. Let's see if they honour this. Edit: looks like CCL have this price too. Not sure if they are part of the same company or if one of them has done a price match with the other.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jun 8, 2023 14:33:19 GMT
Box are genuine I've used them for a bunch of stuff. Seems like a good deal (relative to where it's been) mate, hope it works out
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 8, 2023 15:14:29 GMT
Yeah, as I say, I'm sure I've used them before. Certainly get their marketing emails, so I'm on their mailing list. Didn't have worries about them being dodgy.
It was more that price being more than £200 less than any other 4080 card and I think this particular one is normally £100 or so more than the FE card. Feels like it might have been incorrectly labelled. Received a dispatch notice though, so all seems good.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jun 8, 2023 15:29:54 GMT
I'm excited for you. New tech! What's not to love
PC upgrades are the bollocks as well, going back to older stuff and then running them in beast mode is great
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 8, 2023 15:35:42 GMT
Grabbed a copy of Cyberpunk and downloading it now Held off on it until I could play it in all its ray traced glory. Also looking forward to trying out ray traced Hitman 3.
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Post by mrpon on Jun 8, 2023 15:56:50 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 15, 2023 10:12:54 GMT
So, never actually received the card. Have been in touch with their customer support and now they have come back to say that it was lost within DPD's network and don't have any others in stock to send instead. They've offered me a full refund and £50 voucher.
I've been in touch with DPD and they say they never received the parcel.
Fairly suspicious, as I'm certain they fucked up with the price and now it just so happens to go missing. Not sure if there is much I can do about it though.
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Post by The12thMonkey on Jun 15, 2023 10:19:35 GMT
So, never actually received the card. Have been in touch with their customer support and now they have come back to say that it was lost within DPD's network and don't have any others in stock to send instead. They've offered me a full refund and £50 voucher. I've been in touch with DPD and they say they never received the parcel. Fairly suspicious, as I'm certain they fucked up with the price and now it just so happens to go missing. Not sure if there is much I can do about it though. Sorry to hear you didn't get it. Sounds like what was referred to in one of my old jobs as Shipping Data Received. Typically it is down to inaccurate stock counts at the retailer. Courier gets the instruction that there is a parcel to ship, but since they are usually picking up a bunch of items, it's not really missed until later in the process.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 15, 2023 10:49:59 GMT
That does make sense and is a bit less conspiratorial than what I was thinking . Still frustrating. Not sure what to do now. I'm not paying over a grand for a 4080. I could go back to my original thought of just saying fuck it and go all in on a 4090, but still want to see that a bit less.
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