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Post by skalpadda on Dec 8, 2022 16:32:42 GMT
She might not mention the classics like Alien, Terminator, etc. And the no so classics like Resident Evil and Underworld. But in a way she is right. These days there is not the effort put into the ones which have came out. Even Hunger Games. They just took a semi popular decent book, and made it boring as hell. Possibly an issue with Hollywood in general, and not just female driven movies, but feels especially true for them. That we keep going back to two movies made before Jennifer Lawrence was even born is rather telling no matter how technically incorrect she might be.
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Post by rhaegyr on Dec 8, 2022 16:39:38 GMT
Can't believe Salt hasn't been mentioned and dominated the following four pages - this place has changed.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Dec 8, 2022 16:49:56 GMT
How many action movies do they make these days anyways? Trying to think which one I saw last, it’s probably going to be that last Terminator unless Top Gun qualifies as action.
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Post by Onny on Dec 8, 2022 16:50:53 GMT
Was Terminator “female-lead”? Reese does most of the action bits in T1 (where Sarah is mostly the Damsel in distress who needs saving) and T2, where she is more capable, is really only about Arnie/John.
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Post by cristar on Dec 8, 2022 17:26:58 GMT
Maybe co-lead? But yeah. She has to be saved by a man, so that she can have a baby, which will be a man that saves the world.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 17:29:39 GMT
She’s good at chin ups though.
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Post by Danno on Dec 8, 2022 17:50:23 GMT
She’s good at chin ups though. is she? She only did about 4. I can do more than that.
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Post by myk on Dec 8, 2022 17:51:04 GMT
Part of the problem is that female directors generally don't make action films. Kathryn Bigelow is the obvious exception to that rule, and has had a lot of success, but few others have followed in her path. It means even when you do get a female-led action film it tends to still be very much through the male gaze.
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Post by deekyfun on Dec 8, 2022 17:51:41 GMT
Cuh, its like she's never even heard of progressive feminist action flick Barb Wire.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 17:58:13 GMT
She’s good at chin ups though. is she? She only did about 4. I can do more than that. I didn’t know I was sharing a forum with an action star!
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Post by dogbot on Dec 8, 2022 18:03:02 GMT
is she? She only did about 4. I can do more than that. I didn’t know I was sharing a forum with an action star! I mean, duh.
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Post by kal on Dec 8, 2022 18:09:57 GMT
Part of the problem is that female directors generally don't make action films. Kathryn Bigelow is the obvious exception to that rule, and has had a lot of success, but few others have followed in her path. It means even when you do get a female-led action film it tends to still be very much through the male gaze. The action film thing is somewhat of a red herring. This is a much wider issue that relates to all genres and roles. Women are almost exclusively cast as sexual interests or mothers. There’s very little nuance in the same way there is with male roles. Who are the female equivalents of someone like Philip Seymour Hoffman or Steve Buscemi? Where are roles for older women that aren’t grandmothers or queens? How come Harrison Ford gets to star in action films in his 80s but women are too old once they hit midlife? It’s unbelievably unbalanced and really not changing at any kind of meaningful pace.
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Post by TheSaint on Dec 8, 2022 18:11:32 GMT
Part of the problem is that female directors generally don't make action films. Kathryn Bigelow is the obvious exception to that rule, and has had a lot of success, but few others have followed in her path. It means even when you do get a female-led action film it tends to still be very much through the male gaze. Patty Jenkins would be the other more recent example.
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Post by myk on Dec 8, 2022 19:44:40 GMT
Part of the problem is that female directors generally don't make action films. Kathryn Bigelow is the obvious exception to that rule, and has had a lot of success, but few others have followed in her path. It means even when you do get a female-led action film it tends to still be very much through the male gaze. The action film thing is somewhat of a red herring. This is a much wider issue that relates to all genres and roles. Women are almost exclusively cast as sexual interests or mothers. There’s very little nuance in the same way there is with male roles. Who are the female equivalents of someone like Philip Seymour Hoffman or Steve Buscemi? Where are roles for older women that aren’t grandmothers or queens? How come Harrison Ford gets to star in action films in his 80s but women are too old once they hit midlife? It’s unbelievably unbalanced and really not changing at any kind of meaningful pace. It's about visibility though - it doesn't matter if Wes Anderson (for example) keeps casting older actresses in his films, because as good as they are they aren't mainstream. In the Indie/arthouse space it's probably never been as good as it is now for older actresses.
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Post by kal on Dec 8, 2022 19:51:07 GMT
I’m not sure what point you think I’ve made tbh.
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Post by myk on Dec 8, 2022 19:57:36 GMT
that it's not a red herring - representation in mainstream films (which tend to be action ones) is important
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Post by RumMonkey on Dec 8, 2022 20:12:23 GMT
... I think that's what Kalel is saying.
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Post by Dougs on Dec 8, 2022 20:24:47 GMT
The action film thing is somewhat of a red herring. This is a much wider issue that relates to all genres and roles. Women are almost exclusively cast as sexual interests or mothers. There’s very little nuance in the same way there is with male roles. Who are the female equivalents of someone like Philip Seymour Hoffman or Steve Buscemi? Where are roles for older women that aren’t grandmothers or queens? How come Harrison Ford gets to star in action films in his 80s but women are too old once they hit midlife? It’s unbelievably unbalanced and really not changing at any kind of meaningful pace. Wholeheartedly agree. This is a great topic which I'd like to think is the subject of many a dissertation. Re the equivalents, the best my wife and I could come up with was Tilda Swinton. It's quite depressing. Roles like that just aren't written for women.
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Post by Dgzter on Dec 8, 2022 20:28:53 GMT
Can’t believe not even an honourable mention of The Long Kiss Goodnight. Geena Davis! You fucking philistines, smh.
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Post by 😎 on Dec 8, 2022 20:30:33 GMT
Yeah, there’s a handful of exceptions here and there, but that’s the issue, they’re exceptions and few and far between. But that also gives weird ammo to people to to “well you have Cate Blanchett, what more do you need?”
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Post by sport✅ on Dec 8, 2022 20:55:06 GMT
What about all those men denied mother roles?!?!?! Hypocrite much FG!
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Post by dogbot on Dec 8, 2022 21:00:47 GMT
You'll have Arnold and like it.
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Post by khanivor on Dec 8, 2022 21:21:56 GMT
I think a part of it is that testosterone heavy genders tend to like watching people beating, blowing up and shooting other people more than estrogen heavy genders.
I mean, my daughter loves to watch a strong woman in an action movie - Battle Engine Aquila resonated when she was seven, “get away from her you bitch” had her squealing in delight a year later - but while there’s definitely a market for women in action roles it’s just not as big as the market for blokes in action roles.
I think a female is going to be good seeing another kick ass in a movie but there aren’t nearly as many of them wanting to see it again and again and again as there are males.
Holy wood is all about the money. Female led action roles just don’t generate as much, it seems
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 8, 2022 21:46:41 GMT
I'm sorry for posting that Jennifer Lawrence tweet everyone. I just thought it was a bit funny, I didn't want to do sexism. Hopefully we can get back to gender neutral toilets soon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 21:47:41 GMT
I’m sorry for posting the post about sexism, I didn’t want to talk about sexism.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 8, 2022 21:50:42 GMT
That's ok spooky, it's good that you're acknowledging it.
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Post by Danno on Dec 8, 2022 22:30:21 GMT
I’m sorry for posting the post about sexism, I didn’t want to talk about sexism. But how could you be more qualified? Frankly you're trying to shirk your duty
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Post by Goban on Dec 8, 2022 22:32:53 GMT
So is sexism woke? Can I bash women as well as minorities and call it out as woke rubbish?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 8, 2022 22:34:17 GMT
Mmkay
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Post by 😎 on Dec 8, 2022 22:40:40 GMT
We have solved sexism and are working on racism
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