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Post by geefe on May 30, 2023 19:48:46 GMT
Mark channeling his Flower People era inner Nigel Tufnel there Was that when they were the Originals or the New Originals?
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Post by mothercruncher on May 30, 2023 22:26:10 GMT
If I really had to pick an album I’d go with The Very Best Of Pink Floyd.
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Post by Lizard on May 31, 2023 0:28:29 GMT
I'm not Gen Z but I think I've only actually heard one Pink Floyd song. They do seem largely irrelevant today, in ways that other 70s musicians aren't. They're okay for a prog band but that's not saying a lot. They have a few good songs and Gilmour has a great guitar sound. Best when they did droney/krautish stuff like Set the Controls to the Heart of the Sun IMO. Syd Barrett's solo stuff is quite good, although it has influenced a lot of terrible 'weird' singer-songerwriter types.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 31, 2023 1:36:37 GMT
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Post by simple on May 31, 2023 12:17:10 GMT
It was stuff like Careful With That Axe Eugene and Set Controls For The Heart Of The Sun my dad used to play most. Although he was more into Hawkwind, Sabbath, Amon Duul II and Jethro Tull.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 31, 2023 12:25:54 GMT
I do like Pink Floyd. As somebody into punk is absolutely the sort of stuff I should dislike, but Wish You Were Here and Dark Side of the Moon are classics. WYWH in particular.
The Wall and Final Cut I like less, Waters voice in the band took over too much. Though I did like how doomy his voice can be.
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Post by kal on May 31, 2023 14:40:41 GMT
They’re not really true prog rock, although they were definitely one of the influences of it.
I also think they peaked with WYWH/Animals although I like bits of The Wall, but yes the stuff post Animals was too Watersey, but once he left it was too Gilmorey.
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Post by kal on May 31, 2023 15:53:09 GMT
It’s interesting to listen to Gilmour and Waters’s respective solo stuff. Both sounds exactly like Pink Floyd yet neither sound anything like the other. It’s a very stark illustration of how they somehow combined two incredibly different voices.
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 31, 2023 22:54:13 GMT
Wow. Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse sound like a pair of massively racist bell-ends:
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 31, 2023 23:45:07 GMT
Ahhh the old "I don't recall these events where I'm a total dick". I fully believe the stories in this article especially when you factor in how the show really pushed two of the blandest actors ever to fame, namely Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lily and sidelined the actual talent in the show.
I never liked Lindeloff too, so this makes my dislike of him and his work even more justified.
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Post by peekconfusion on May 31, 2023 23:51:57 GMT
Wow. Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse sound like a pair of massively racist bell-ends:
Given how the show utterly nosedived, it's not really a surprise to read all of this. The bit about Michael & Walt made me especially sad. It was such an easy fix and they couldn't even be arsed to do that.
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Post by geefe on Jun 1, 2023 7:22:19 GMT
Considering Lidnelof made the spectacularly bad Alien prequel and I fucking hate his writing, this does nothing to change my opinion of him.
I'm in 2 minds. On one hand, I've said shitty stuff to people and I don't think outright cancelling them/ blacklisting really gives them opportunity to change.
But on the other, the things he said and did, repeatedly, were pretty far over the line.
Not keen on his non-apology though.
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Post by myk on Jun 1, 2023 11:48:25 GMT
His Watchmen series was brilliant though, one of the few mystery box shows that didn't suck.
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Post by Tuffty on Jun 1, 2023 11:52:01 GMT
Watchmen was pretty decent and The Leftovers is one of my fav tv shows ever, neither of which I would classify as the work of someone who's staunchly racist. Granted there are a team of writers involved, but the main narrative thrust has to come from the showrunner/producer surely. Always dislike hearing this stuff when it relates to something I really enjoy. Find it difficult to separate art from artist sometimes. Queens of the Stone Age have a new album coming and I just can't get excited over it considering the stuff that's come out about Josh Homme lately.
But of course, my feelings on it matter less than the actual people that have been hurt by the way they've been carrying on.
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Post by Danno on Jun 1, 2023 11:53:19 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 1, 2023 12:25:14 GMT
Can be difficult to separate art from the artist, particularly when the artist is still alive. Not sure if it makes it better or not, but I've pretty much accepted that most directors, senior writers and actors within films and TV are probably dicks that it is best to not know much about.
There has always been a mystic about the industry and the culture within and out treats the stars like gods.
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Post by kal on Jun 1, 2023 14:39:00 GMT
That article is epic. Not that the subject matter isn’t important but I wasn’t really ready for a thesis.
Anyway it’s depressing stuff. I’m not sure how much of that was unique to Lost and how much that was just still the state of TV land at that time. A lot of the shows that they mention elsewhere in the article like Sex and the City and Friends were also famously white.
Interesting that he went on to do Watchmen which is basically about racism with black actors in the key roles despite coming from source material that wasn’t about that at all.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Jun 1, 2023 19:58:36 GMT
Reading through it, it did seem like Lindelof came across as someone who acknowledges that he was in the wrong, inexcusable though it was, whereas Cuse seems to be more of the "None of it ever happened" type.
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Post by Tuffty on Jun 2, 2023 12:07:08 GMT
Seen there's a new addition to the LGBT flag as a yellow circle within one of the chevrons (maybe its been there a while I dunno). It is one of those that I personally feel the extra additions just overtly complicates things and would turn moderates away. If the rainbow flag rightfully represents all minority sexualities under the flag, I think its a simple enough symbol that communicates the point. I just feel like the flag gets more busy each time I see it where it feels like people are attempting to appear to be more inclusive than the person who last designed the flag.
Anyway, just my little bugbear, if those affected are happy with it then I'm not gonna argue too hard.
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Post by kal on Jun 2, 2023 12:14:29 GMT
I think the point is that there are minorities within minorities that need wider awareness of the prejudices they face, so all-inclusive rainbows don’t cut it. The flag itself has now becoming representative of an evolving understanding of minority issues. The whole point is that it keeps growing.
As an aside I’ve never really got on very well with the idea that people striving for social justice issues need to be empathetic to not turning off moderates. That’s not the group whose sensitivities are most important.
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Post by geefe on Jun 2, 2023 12:21:08 GMT
I feel sorry for all those companies, the likes of McDonald's, Disney and Waitrose, who had all of those flags made and now they'll look silly and out of date
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Post by Tuffty on Jun 2, 2023 12:30:54 GMT
I think the point is that there are minorities within minorities that need wider awareness of the prejudices they face, so all-inclusive rainbows don’t cut it. The flag itself has now becoming representative of an evolving understanding of minority issues. The whole point is that it keeps growing. Interesting, I hadn't considered it in that way and I like the idea of that.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 2, 2023 21:35:37 GMT
It's nice to see the aspiring fascists right-wingers eating their own for a change, as that's usually our [liberals'] job:
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Post by RadicalRex on Jun 2, 2023 22:10:32 GMT
It's funny how they complain about cancel culture and thought police. If there's the slightest doubt that you live up to their most sacred virtue, the slightest hint that you don't hate minorities enough, they're going to cancel your ass.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 3, 2023 4:44:25 GMT
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Post by RadicalRex on Jun 3, 2023 5:45:38 GMT
I've (half jokingly) been calling for that for many years, but never imagined they'd actually do it. Wow.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 3, 2023 5:48:53 GMT
On balance though, I think I'd prefer schools to have the Bible on their shelves as well as progressive material. Not removed because it falls foul if their utterly mental law by accident. I imagine they'll introduce a carve out shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 5:50:53 GMT
The thing about it being in Utah is, I’m not sure if it’s ironic, as it kind of sounds like it is, or absolutely 100%, because that’s Mormon country, and they’re nuttier than Catholics and Orthodox.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 3, 2023 6:40:58 GMT
@spookyxelectric good to see you 🙌🏻
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 6:45:43 GMT
Lovely seeing you, doggo!
I err forgot my password. 👴🏽
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