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Post by Ulythium on Sept 10, 2023 21:11:12 GMT
I'm guessing ITV are expecting a lot of rugby newcomers to be watching, given how the commentary teams appear to have been briefed to explain the laws at every opportunity.
I don't actually mind this - the more the merrier - but I'm curious as to why they think loads of people across the UK will be tuning in all of a sudden.
I liked Shane Williams a lot as a player, but he's laughably one-eyed as a pundit.
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Post by Danno on Sept 10, 2023 21:22:21 GMT
Yeah Williams should be sent to the ban pit with Jiffy.
Punditry overall is total garbage. It varies from banal (Edwards, Warburton) to THE BANTS IS ALL (Healy and Kaye), to totally clueless (Dallalgio, Woodward) to boring cunt (O'Driscoll) to boring boring cunt (Wilkinson), to just fuck off (Habana, enjoy your Sage money you dickhead), to fucking morons (Hamilton, Goode) to actually really great (David Flatman is literally the only example of this.)
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Post by Dougs on Sept 10, 2023 21:29:21 GMT
Missed most of the 2nd half, but did catch the last 10. Gutted for Fiji, awesome comeback.
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Post by zephro on Sept 10, 2023 21:37:00 GMT
So I think Scotland can be somewhat pissed Kriel did not get carded 1 minute in. However the thing that decided that game really was Scotland's absolute implosion at the lineout. Like what the fuck was even going on? There was a singular colossal refereeing fuck up but really Scotland did that to themselves ultimately.
Fiji on the other hand should be fucking livid. The sheer quantity of cynical Welsh penalties on the line warranted at least 2 yellows, maybe a penalty try as they were really fucking pushing it. Then the second it's down the other half and Fiji get a yellow immediately for that maul (which looked border line). Absolute disgrace.
Addendum, I fucking hate Gatland. Though also Pivac as this reminds me of the jam-slam again.
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Post by Danno on Sept 10, 2023 21:52:54 GMT
So I think Scotland can be somewhat pissed Kriel did not get carded 1 minute in. However the thing that decided that game really was Scotland's absolute implosion at the lineout. Like what the fuck was even going on? There was a singular colossal refereeing fuck up but really Scotland did that to themselves ultimately. Fiji on the other hand should be fucking livid. The sheer quantity of cynical Welsh penalties on the line warranted at least 2 yellows, maybe a penalty try as they were really fucking pushing it. Then the second it's down the other half and Fiji get a yellow immediately for that maul (which looked border line). Absolute disgrace. Addendum, I fucking hate Gatland. Though also Pivac as this reminds me of the jam-slam again. Yeah your forwards/set-piece coach should not be sleeping tonight. That was pathetic. You can definitely feel hard done by in the scrums at times, however,ESPN says you lost 6 of your own lineouts, and Etzebeth wasn't even on the pitch for 50mins. You should have just done the drop goals thing 😃 Carley was truly dreadful, bricked a card for Wales on three occasions (Biggar offside, 16 playing on the floor, repeated offences) then gives Fiji a card for *ONE* offence the other end that apparently wasn't enough for a penalty try, which is the only reason to card for a single offence as far as I know. And yeah, seeing Gatland's miserable face during stoppages again is supremely irritating. A man in the permanent vasectomy limbo if my understanding of the Snip Snip thread is correct. |
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Post by zephro on Sept 10, 2023 22:16:32 GMT
So I think Scotland can be somewhat pissed Kriel did not get carded 1 minute in. However the thing that decided that game really was Scotland's absolute implosion at the lineout. Like what the fuck was even going on? There was a singular colossal refereeing fuck up but really Scotland did that to themselves ultimately. Fiji on the other hand should be fucking livid. The sheer quantity of cynical Welsh penalties on the line warranted at least 2 yellows, maybe a penalty try as they were really fucking pushing it. Then the second it's down the other half and Fiji get a yellow immediately for that maul (which looked border line). Absolute disgrace. Addendum, I fucking hate Gatland. Though also Pivac as this reminds me of the jam-slam again. Yeah your forwards/set-piece coach should not be sleeping tonight. That was pathetic. You can definitely feel hard done by in the scrums at times, however,ESPN says you lost 6 of your own lineouts, and Etzebeth wasn't even on the pitch for 50mins. You should have just done the drop goals thing 😃 Carley was truly dreadful, bricked a card for Wales on three occasions (Biggar offside, 16 playing on the floor, repeated offences) then gives Fiji a card for *ONE* offence the other end that apparently wasn't enough for a penalty try, which is the only reason to card for a single offence as far as I know. And yeah, seeing Gatland's miserable face during stoppages again is supremely irritating. A man in the permanent vasectomy limbo if my understanding of the Snip Snip thread is correct. Yeah Scotland can't have excuses they did that themselves. I'd say the scoreline isn't reflective of how close the game was in general but these things happen. Carley can go fuck off though. The maul yellow card was no way near a penalty try so what the fuck was that. Having TMOd a Fiji try into a held up after Wales being offside all the way tackling him, and some aggressive hands in the ruck a couple phases before. To be fair I couldn't hear why the ref decided that try was held up but fuck me it looked like a try to me. |
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Post by Resident Knievel on Sept 10, 2023 22:19:32 GMT
I think he made up some rule involving the would be try scorer's knees to deny Fiji the points
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Post by Danno on Sept 10, 2023 22:39:42 GMT
Yeah your forwards/set-piece coach should not be sleeping tonight. That was pathetic. You can definitely feel hard done by in the scrums at times, however,ESPN says you lost 6 of your own lineouts, and Etzebeth wasn't even on the pitch for 50mins. You should have just done the drop goals thing 😃 Carley was truly dreadful, bricked a card for Wales on three occasions (Biggar offside, 16 playing on the floor, repeated offences) then gives Fiji a card for *ONE* offence the other end that apparently wasn't enough for a penalty try, which is the only reason to card for a single offence as far as I know. And yeah, seeing Gatland's miserable face during stoppages again is supremely irritating. A man in the permanent vasectomy limbo if my understanding of the Snip Snip thread is correct. Yeah Scotland can't have excuses they did that themselves. I'd say the scoreline isn't reflective of how close the game was in general but these things happen. Carley can go fuck off though. The maul yellow card was no way near a penalty try so what the fuck was that. Having TMOd a Fiji try into a held up after Wales being offside all the way tackling him, and some aggressive hands in the ruck a couple phases before. To be fair I couldn't hear why the ref decided that try was held up but fuck me it looked like a try to me. It's Matt Carley, who knows. Weird that England has such a spread of refs. Pearce and Barnes at one (the good) end, Carley and Dickson at the other |
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Post by zephro on Sept 10, 2023 22:45:46 GMT
Baffling.
Plus Kriel is going to get some post game investigation and we're going to have a whole circus again. I just want consistent referees and to never have these discussions again.
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Post by Danno on Sept 10, 2023 22:47:33 GMT
Baffling. Plus Kriel is going to get some post game investigation and we're going to have a whole circus again. I just want consistent referees and to never have these discussions again. Given how many meetings WR have (apprently)with refs I don't know why this is still a discussion at all. |
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 10, 2023 23:05:14 GMT
+1 to Dickson being crap.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 11, 2023 7:34:28 GMT
I think he made up some rule involving the would be try scorer's knees to deny Fiji the points Yeah, double movement. Something about the knee being grounded meant the tackle was complete. No idea if that stands up though. |
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 12, 2023 8:54:40 GMT
Curry's due to face a disciplinary panel today. I'm assuming he'll end up with the same punishment as Vunipola, i.e. a two-game ban in material terms.
I think I'm right in saying that post-match citings must take place within 36 hours of the final whistle, so we should have an idea of whether or not Kriel will be in trouble for his hit on Dempsey before long.
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Post by grey_matters on Sept 12, 2023 9:50:12 GMT
Curry's due to face a disciplinary panel today. I'm assuming he'll end up with the same punishment as Vunipola, i.e. a two-game ban in material terms. I think I'm right in saying that post-match citings must take place within 36 hours of the final whistle, so we should have an idea of whether or not Kriel will be in trouble for his hit on Dempsey before long. I thought I heard he was cleared last night. Can't find it now though. Ah, here it is www.the42.ie/jesse-kriel-citing-6165928-Sep2023/ |
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 12, 2023 9:59:46 GMT
Thanks, grey_matters - I'd missed that. Inconsistency remains the watchword, as bloody usual! |
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Post by Dougs on Sept 12, 2023 10:12:21 GMT
That's frankly ridiculous.
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Post by grey_matters on Sept 12, 2023 10:32:23 GMT
That's a shitty link above, sorry.
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 12, 2023 15:44:49 GMT
How's everyone doing on the fantasy RWC front? I'm at 315 points after round one.
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 12, 2023 16:00:21 GMT
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Post by Danno on Sept 12, 2023 16:17:51 GMT
Curry's due to face a disciplinary panel today. I'm assuming he'll end up with the same punishment as Vunipola, i.e. a two-game ban in material terms. I think I'm right in saying that post-match citings must take place within 36 hours of the final whistle, so we should have an idea of whether or not Kriel will be in trouble for his hit on Dempsey before long. I thought I heard he was cleared last night. Can't find it now though. Ah, here it is www.the42.ie/jesse-kriel-citing-6165928-Sep2023/Such bullshit |
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Post by bichii2 on Sept 12, 2023 17:18:20 GMT
I've been watching rugby for um like 30 years and whilst there have been some great changes over the years this is doing my "head" in. He wrapped, he was clearly going in for a tackle and watching it in real time he didn't do much wrong really. I guess from now on we better not attempt to tackle anyone making a catch. Wait for them to land, then wait a little bit more then try and tackle them. |
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Post by zephro on Sept 12, 2023 17:31:34 GMT
Not particularly to do with the catch. The new laws intention is fucking irrelevant. Force is. If you're going to HIT someone (rather than stand there and soak it up) the onus is on you to get low enough to not hit their head.
Which is exactly what I got taught in school in the 90s, also to tuck your head out the way to not concuss yourself.
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 12, 2023 20:19:16 GMT
Curry's timing was fine, in terms of the Argentinian player having (just about!) touched the ground after taking the ball in the air, so I don't think the catch was relevant in this case.
The problem was that Curry came in too high while trying to make a dominant tackle, and if you make direct head contact in that situation, you're going off.
Seemingly Carreras and Kriel both made *indirect* head contact, which is why they got away with it; however, I think that's a ridiculous outcome from a player safety perspective.
The difference between 'direct' and 'indirect' shouldn't come down to a frame-by-frame analysis of the video - if a player hits an opponent in the head while doing something avoidable, he shouldn't escape sanction because a slow-motion replay showed that he clipped the other player's shoulder a split-second before head contact was made.
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Post by Danno on Sept 12, 2023 20:35:50 GMT
If Kriel's was "indirect" then I'm faster than Louis Rees-Zammitt
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Post by zephro on Sept 12, 2023 21:12:48 GMT
I've not watched it back but I thought the Chile one was relatively passive. But my memory of Saturday is already hazy.
Not heard of this indirect thing before. You either make contact or don't. You're not doing it indirectly by holding a fucking stick.
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Post by grey_matters on Sept 13, 2023 20:19:34 GMT
One thing I'm loving about this World Cup is that there are better gaps for squads to recover from the brutality that is a modern professional competitive game (or sequence of games).
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One thing I'm hating about this World Cup is: Where are the games?! Where is my fix?! 3 days?! No rugby?!
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Post by Danno on Sept 13, 2023 22:41:43 GMT
I rewatched France v NZ, that scratched the itch pretty well
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 14, 2023 8:46:22 GMT
Round 2 starts tonight!
Here's hoping:
- Portugal will beat Wales
- Fiji will beat Australia
- England will score some tries against Japan
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Post by alastair on Sept 14, 2023 9:25:14 GMT
Round 2 starts tonight! Here's hoping: - Portugal will beat Wales - Fiji will beat Australia - England will score some tries against Japan I went to the last meeting of England v Japan at Twickenham. Japan are no mugs, but they ultimately didn't have enough to really trouble England. That's my hazy memory without even going to check what the score was! |
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 14, 2023 10:02:18 GMT
alastairI haven't paid much attention to the international scene in recent years, such was/is my distaste for Eddie Jones, but my understanding is that Japan play the kind of free-flowing rugby that could prove catastrophic for England's leaky defence. Unless Japan are as badly off their game as Argentina were last weekend, England are going to have to step things up on Sunday!
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