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Post by puddleduck on May 26, 2022 8:36:55 GMT
You might not feel like it, but your reward is a little hairy face that'll always listen to you and be a companion. It will also give you purpose and a distraction. You can't just go around offering out my wife.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 26, 2022 10:50:04 GMT
Just feels like I'm not quite sure what the point planning for the future is.
Like I'm trying to save money. Largely succeeding but I do question what's the point? Ostensibly it's too get a place at some point but the rising deposit prices outstrips what I can save. Plus I'm 40 very soon, after which point getting a mortgage agreed gets harder and harder with each additional year (as lenders assume you'll die before completing payment. And they're probably right).
My pension is going to be worth bollocks all too. Current estimate, based on my contributions, is that I'll be able to afford name a 4k annuity. Which won't even cover my rent by that point.
So yeah, likely be working until I die.
Do question the point in even bothering saving. I mean I do, but it just seems futile.
This is actually one of the more tangible concerns of mine. Don't even want to touch on the existential dread I feel everytime I consider the things in the future that are even more outside my control.
I really need to just not think about things. But then if I don't think about them I can't make any plans. But if I try to make plans the crippling anxiety flares up.
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Post by puddleduck on May 26, 2022 10:51:25 GMT
Just feels like I'm not quite sure what the point planning for the future is. Like I'm trying to save money. Largely succeeding but I do question what's the point? Ostensibly it's too get a place at some point but the rising deposit prices outstrips what I can save. Plus I'm 40 very soon, after which point getting a mortgage agreed gets harder and harder with each additional year (as lenders assume you'll die before completing payment. And they're probably right). My pension is going to be worth bollocks all too. Current estimate, based on my contributions, is that I'll be able to afford name a 4k annuity. Which won't even cover my rent by that point. So yeah, likely be working until I die. Do question the point in even bothering saving. I mean I do, but it just seems futile. If you weren't saving the money or working your current job what would you do instead?
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 26, 2022 10:55:25 GMT
I have no idea.
Honestly I don't want to do anything. I'd like to just bimble around pursuing my hobbies and interests and leisure with no pressure.
That's clearly not viable.
That's an issue in itself, I don't really have any particular ambitions or desires as far as a career goes.
I don't really want to turn my hobbies into my job either.
Tried that when I tried to work as a freelance animator and illustrator. Personally as soon as something becomes the means to make the income, it kinda stops becoming as enjoyable. Also the gig economics didn't work out.
Pursuing that career, in hindsight, was a massive mistake and a large reason why I'm in the financial and housing situation I'm currently in.
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Post by quadfather on May 26, 2022 10:58:50 GMT
That's another conversation for another time but while I'd intended to propose for a while, I've seen another side to her over the past month that I really don't like and I really don't know what to do. One of my many failings is that I'm a big soppy romantic and I love people and things with my whole heart; it really hurts when people don't return that. The regular, short-notice cancellations and mixed signals have done my head in, I was meant to see her tonight but she cancelled this morning and then gave me shit this afternoon about the divorce not being sorted (I've just agreed to write off £80k I'd otherwise stand to get from the marital home just to get it over with faster, for fucks sake). But really can't be fucked with that now, sorry mate. Fair do's. No worries.
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Post by quadfather on May 26, 2022 11:01:22 GMT
Just feels like I'm not quite sure what the point planning for the future is. Like I'm trying to save money. Largely succeeding but I do question what's the point? Ostensibly it's too get a place at some point but the rising deposit prices outstrips what I can save. Plus I'm 40 very soon, after which point getting a mortgage agreed gets harder and harder with each additional year (as lenders assume you'll die before completing payment. And they're probably right). My pension is going to be worth bollocks all too. Current estimate, based on my contributions, is that I'll be able to afford name a 4k annuity. Which won't even cover my rent by that point. So yeah, likely be working until I die. Do question the point in even bothering saving. I mean I do, but it just seems futile. This is actually one of the more tangible concerns of mine. Don't even want to touch on the existential dread I feel everytime I consider the things in the future that are even more outside my control. I really need to just not think about things. But then if I don't think about them I can't make any plans. But if I try to make plans the crippling anxiety flares up. If it's any help, I got a mortgage at 47 with no problems. It would have been a bit harder after that age, but 47 or less, and you're fine.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 26, 2022 11:03:03 GMT
That offers some comfort. Still not sure if I'll have enough of a deposit by then, but it's not as bleak.
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Post by quadfather on May 26, 2022 11:05:19 GMT
I have no idea. Honestly I don't want to do anything. I'd like to just bimble around pursuing my hobbies and interests and leisure with no pressure. That's clearly not viable. That's an issue in itself, I don't really have any particular ambitions or desires as far as a career goes. I don't really want to turn my hobbies into my job either. Tried that when I tried to work as a freelance animator and illustrator. Personally as soon as something becomes the means to make the income, it kinda stops becoming as enjoyable. Also the gig economics didn't work out. Pursuing that career, in hindsight, was a massive mistake and a large reason why I'm in the financial and housing situation I'm currently in. Why isn't that viable? I bimble about with my hobbies and that's fine till i drop dead. You've got to have cash to back it up though, so either work and put up with it and enjoy your spare time, or save to make the purchase of the house easier and let you take a lower paid, less stressful job. Entirely up to you. I disagree about pursuing that career being a mistake. I think that should be applauded. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work out or not, you've made the plunge and gone for it regardless. If you didn't do this, you'd be wondering what it'd have been like if you did. And it's good to experiment as it adds to your experience. You know you probably won't do that again, so you might choose something else next time. Not everything has to work first time. Hardly ever does. That's how you learn.
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Post by quadfather on May 26, 2022 11:07:13 GMT
A lot of these threads lead me to ask something that Puddleduck asked - what is it that you're all measuring success on?
Sounds like some of you have set the bar really high!
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Post by dmukgr on May 26, 2022 11:15:18 GMT
The other realisation I've come to accept recently is that life is fucking fragile and very very short. I turned 50 at the end of March which makes you reflect - like a pit stop in life. I drink like a fish, smoke too much, don't exercise, have a stressful job, lost marriage, lost house, lost cash, lost mum, lost dad, nearly lost sister to cancer. It has made me very humbled to even have an existence, and has put everything into perspective. Which, while I still get stressed at work, has made me wake the fuck up and start enjoying what time I have left. Don't leave things until it's too late. Start doing them. Now. Live! Someone just pointed out to me that the distance from 1970, when I was born, to now, is the same distance that 1918 was from 1970 You've had 50 years of having fun drinking like a fish, smoking too much and smashing headboards
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 11:24:40 GMT
That offers some comfort. Still not sure if I'll have enough of a deposit by then, but it's not as bleak. I'm 41 and nowhere near a mortgage. I've just accepted I'll never get one. Fuck it. Is it all that? I rent and am not liable for anything structural that needs done to the house etc. Been in the same place for 10 years now. There's such a stigma to own, and I'm just not convinced it's all that. You don't technically own it until the mortage is completely paid off anyway, by that point we're all pensioners. Descendents don't benefit because of all the inheritance bullshit so... Fuck it.
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Post by quadfather on May 26, 2022 11:24:52 GMT
The other realisation I've come to accept recently is that life is fucking fragile and very very short. I turned 50 at the end of March which makes you reflect - like a pit stop in life. I drink like a fish, smoke too much, don't exercise, have a stressful job, lost marriage, lost house, lost cash, lost mum, lost dad, nearly lost sister to cancer. It has made me very humbled to even have an existence, and has put everything into perspective. Which, while I still get stressed at work, has made me wake the fuck up and start enjoying what time I have left. Don't leave things until it's too late. Start doing them. Now. Live! Someone just pointed out to me that the distance from 1970, when I was born, to now, is the same distance that 1918 was from 1970 You've had 50 years of having fun drinking like a fish, smoking too much and smashing headboards That's a good example of how your perspective changes when you're older. Things change don't they And yes, 50 years of fun, here's to however many years more of the same!
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Post by quadfather on May 26, 2022 11:26:43 GMT
That offers some comfort. Still not sure if I'll have enough of a deposit by then, but it's not as bleak. I'm 41 and nowhere near a mortgage. I've just accepted I'll never get one. Fuck it. Is it all that? I rent and am not liable for anything structural that needs done to the house etc. Been in the same place for 10 years now. There's such a stigma to own, and I'm just not convinced it's all that. You don't technically own it until the mortage is completely paid off anyway, by that point we're all pensioners. Descendents don't benefit because of all the inheritance bullshit so... Fuck it. Totally fucking agree. This is what I mean about setting the bar high. Gotta have a house, gotta have a wife, gotta have kids, gotta have a decent job, gotta have a large garden, car, pool, potatoes, piano, whatever the fuck. Do whatever the fuck you want. IT DOESNT MATTER!
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 26, 2022 11:28:43 GMT
Why isn't that viable? I bimble about with my hobbies and that's fine till i drop dead. You've got to have cash to back it up though, so either work and put up with it and enjoy your spare time, or save to make the purchase of the house easier and let you take a lower paid, less stressful job. Entirely up to you. I disagree about pursuing that career being a mistake. I think that should be applauded. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work out or not, you've made the plunge and gone for it regardless. If you didn't do this, you'd be wondering what it'd have been like if you did. And it's good to experiment as it adds to your experience. You know you probably won't do that again, so you might choose something else next time. Not everything has to work first time. Hardly ever does. That's how you learn. When I said I want to bimble around doing my hobbies I meant that's *literally* all I want to do. As in have no job. I want to be retired, basically. I don't have enough time to pursue my interests currently because work gets in the way. There's a constant frustration as whatever I do in my free time is at the expense of something else I want to do. Plus there's the occasions where I'm frankly to knackered after work to do anything. As for what constitutes success, I basically want a place of my own. That would be secure. I've only ever been in houseshares or been a lodger since I went to uni. I basically haven't had somewhere that feels like home for nearly 20 years. So a home would be nice.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 11:28:55 GMT
Lol. Potatoes.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 26, 2022 11:32:04 GMT
That offers some comfort. Still not sure if I'll have enough of a deposit by then, but it's not as bleak. I'm 41 and nowhere near a mortgage. I've just accepted I'll never get one. Fuck it. Is it all that? I rent and am not liable for anything structural that needs done to the house etc. Been in the same place for 10 years now. There's such a stigma to own, and I'm just not convinced it's all that. You don't technically own it until the mortage is completely paid off anyway, by that point we're all pensioners. Descendents don't benefit because of all the inheritance bullshit so... Fuck it. I know that long term rentals are viable, and honestly I don't care about actual ownership. But a few of the last places I was living at, I had to move out as the landlord wanted to sell.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 26, 2022 11:35:09 GMT
For the record, I really don't give many shits about having a car (don't even have a license), don't care about having a partner, actively don't want kids.
I'd like a place of my own - whether that's a mortgage or renting I don't care, but I want somewhere that I can decorate as I want, where that's no fear of being booted out as the landlord wants to sell.
I'd like a dog too.
And potatoes would be nice.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 11:36:38 GMT
Yeah I get that. I'm not going to lie and say that the thought never arises, but the way I look at it, even if I owned the property, there could be factors that arose that would mean I had to move. She could decide to sell anytime, but I just think i'm going to deal with that as and when it happens.
It's weird. out of all my hangups, this isn't one of them, but I really do get where you're coming from. That will help you not feeling anchored in a "home" as well because you've had to move against your will.
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Post by Dougs on May 26, 2022 11:38:08 GMT
The UK is one of the few places where home ownership is such a big deal. In mainland Europe, renting is almost the norm. But of course, they have protections for renters and tighter controls on landlords etc.
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Post by Aunt Alison on May 26, 2022 11:38:19 GMT
I have a tendency to take my potatoes for granted
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 11:44:50 GMT
I think what helps is that our landlord is so good. She's visited about three times in ten years and helps us out with anything we've ever needed help with.
Plus if we have to move it'll be over my dead body. I'm not giving up my loft studio for ANYONE.
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Post by Aunt Alison on May 26, 2022 11:50:38 GMT
Or her dead body
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 26, 2022 11:58:33 GMT
I do want potatoes now.
As the saying goes, when life gives you potatoes, make potato-ade.
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Post by quadfather on May 26, 2022 12:01:25 GMT
Why isn't that viable? I bimble about with my hobbies and that's fine till i drop dead. You've got to have cash to back it up though, so either work and put up with it and enjoy your spare time, or save to make the purchase of the house easier and let you take a lower paid, less stressful job. Entirely up to you. I disagree about pursuing that career being a mistake. I think that should be applauded. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work out or not, you've made the plunge and gone for it regardless. If you didn't do this, you'd be wondering what it'd have been like if you did. And it's good to experiment as it adds to your experience. You know you probably won't do that again, so you might choose something else next time. Not everything has to work first time. Hardly ever does. That's how you learn. When I said I want to bimble around doing my hobbies I meant that's *literally* all I want to do. As in have no job. I want to be retired, basically. I don't have enough time to pursue my interests currently because work gets in the way. There's a constant frustration as whatever I do in my free time is at the expense of something else I want to do. Plus there's the occasions where I'm frankly to knackered after work to do anything. As for what constitutes success, I basically want a place of my own. That would be secure. I've only ever been in houseshares or been a lodger since I went to uni. I basically haven't had somewhere that feels like home for nearly 20 years. So a home would be nice. So do we all. We all want to do that. I don't have enough time to pursue my interests because work gets in the way. That's life. And it's tough. However, you know what you want. Now you do, you've put a plan in place to get it. Work on that, and then you can enjoy your hobbies to your hearts content. Doesn't come on a plate though, you need to follow that plan to the end and stick to it.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 26, 2022 12:04:52 GMT
A lot of these threads lead me to ask something that Puddleduck asked - what is it that you're all measuring success on? Sounds like some of you have set the bar really high! My overriding thought is, and I was very guilty of this before I turned 31, that being stuck in a negative headspace can be extremely comforting because trying to contemplate a positive scenario is dangerous and will ultimately lead to disappointment so it's better to keep in the negative mindset because you can control that. I'm not aiming at anyone particular but this is what affected me a lot growing up and therapy allowed my to analyse that a lot of my hang ups were due to control and wanting to control things I had no control of which is what leads to a lot of issues with confidence, feelings of hopelessness and feeling useless.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 26, 2022 12:06:09 GMT
Yeah it's that working at things where I fall down as I'm really, honestly very lazy and basically stick to the path of least resistance.
I'm not helping myself and I'm not really a fan of my behaviour but there you go.
Even following my creative career is something I just fell into. I don't think I've really actively pursued anything in my life thus far with any particular drive. It just kind of happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 12:08:50 GMT
Yeah it's that working at things where I fall down as I'm really, honestly very lazy and basically stick to the path of least resistance. I'm not helping myself and I'm not really a fan of my behaviour but there you go. Even following my creative career is something I just fell into. I don't think I've really actively pursued anything in my life thus far with any particular drive. It just kind of happened. Are you me? Because you've just described me.
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Post by quadfather on May 26, 2022 12:14:05 GMT
A lot of these threads lead me to ask something that Puddleduck asked - what is it that you're all measuring success on? Sounds like some of you have set the bar really high! My overriding thought is, and I was very guilty of this before I turned 31, that being stuck in a negative headspace can be extremely comforting because trying to contemplate a positive scenario is dangerous and will ultimately lead to disappointment so it's better to keep in the negative mindset because you can control that. I'm not aiming at anyone particular but this is what affected me a lot growing up and therapy allowed my to analyse that a lot of my hang ups were due to control and wanting to control things I had no control of which is what leads to a lot of issues with confidence, feelings of hopelessness and feeling useless. It's a bit of a balance though. I understand that if you walk around every day expecting everything to be brilliant then it's likely you'll encounter something that isn't. But then, I have to go back to, "why the fuck does it matter?". It probably mattered when you were growing up, trying to work shit out. But we're older now, and generally see how the world works. Working on negative things with yourself is a positive thing to do. Working on the positive things with yourself is a negative thing to do. It shouldn't be, but in this society, just look at what people are using as measuring sticks. It's mostly all narcissistic behaviour. And it's this that fucks us up. So people get really frustrated when they can't get that shiny car, or earn 6 figures, or have a massive fucking house and brag to their mates about it. And then comes the spiral. And then they look at social media, and get pictures of people earning 6 figures every 5 fucking minutes, so they kick off again. It's all a hideous, fabricated mess. The only solution I apply to it is strip it all away, and just live how I want to live.
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Post by quadfather on May 26, 2022 12:16:36 GMT
Yeah it's that working at things where I fall down as I'm really, honestly very lazy and basically stick to the path of least resistance. I'm not helping myself and I'm not really a fan of my behaviour but there you go. Even following my creative career is something I just fell into. I don't think I've really actively pursued anything in my life thus far with any particular drive. It just kind of happened. Are you me? Because you've just described me. Being lazy is an absolutely valid way to live. I don't see any life manuals lying around here saying it isn't. But you have to accept that if you want to be lazy, you won't be able to do things that require other aspects apart from laziness. So for instance, you won't get that house if you don't do anything about it. It's not a problem, it's just the situation.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 26, 2022 12:19:16 GMT
I don't disagree but that's absolutely one of the issues I'm facing.
I don't particularly like how lazy I am, not to mention a bunch of other things i dislike about myself. Self-loathing is a fair description.
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