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Post by rajin on Feb 26, 2022 14:47:09 GMT
Or the boat people of myanmar for that matter.
Still, a refugee stream directly from a european country is a different issue then anything outside the continent.
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Post by blizeh on Feb 26, 2022 17:13:56 GMT
Is there anywhere to donate that will be matched by like... the government or something? I know Canada were matching their Red Cross donations
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Post by X201 on Feb 26, 2022 17:56:01 GMT
If you do donate, make sure that it’s a U.K. registered charity.
They are far better regulated than USA.
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Post by elstoof on Feb 26, 2022 18:29:38 GMT
You know a lot about air corridors and land bridges do you Er, no - was simply my questioning the talk of supplying arms to Ukraine and begs the question of how, over the coming weeks, if NATO remains out of the country and if Russian forces extend into Western Ukraine and effectively cover off Kyiv, the supply will reach any intended recipients. Would you think Russia would allow any such bridges to remain active? I haven’t got the first clue about land bridges as I’m not even remotely knowledgable about international war strategies |
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Post by simple on Feb 26, 2022 18:34:23 GMT
If you do donate, make sure that it’s a U.K. registered charity. They are far better regulated than USA. Some right scammers recycling old news footage to con gullible kids on TikTok |
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Feb 26, 2022 19:39:26 GMT
Whilst I don't approve of some of their actions in the past, Anonymous has declared war on Russia. Best use of their skillz in a long time.
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Post by barchetta on Feb 26, 2022 20:58:37 GMT
Er, no - was simply my questioning the talk of supplying arms to Ukraine and begs the question of how, over the coming weeks, if NATO remains out of the country and if Russian forces extend into Western Ukraine and effectively cover off Kyiv, the supply will reach any intended recipients. Would you think Russia would allow any such bridges to remain active? I haven’t got the first clue about land bridges as I’m not even remotely knowledgable about international war strategies Thanks for clearing that up. |
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 26, 2022 22:01:02 GMT
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Post by cubby on Feb 26, 2022 22:04:36 GMT
At this point they might as well just say Ukraine have joined Nato.
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 26, 2022 22:20:22 GMT
Complete lack of knowledge or common sense precursor.
However....why is it that if Russian troops are killed with weapons provided by natio countries is that not seen as an act of war or "aggression" by said nato country?
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 26, 2022 22:23:00 GMT
Well this is a big one:
This one I saw courtesy of a retweet by Armando Iannucci, but as he said, hope it's accurate:
Fucking hell:
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Post by captbirdseye on Feb 26, 2022 22:26:53 GMT
Complete lack of knowledge or common sense precursor. However....why is it that if Russian troops are killed with weapons provided by natio countries is that not seen as an act of war or "aggression" by said nato country? It's the old they are all at it in terms of supplying each other. I guess Putin knows any kind of engagement would end pretty badly for his military. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 26, 2022 22:31:30 GMT
Being surrounded with yes men forever hasn't really done Putin any favours and Russia is going to be the international pariah for some time to come. It really does come across that he thought Ukraine would just capitulate and that would be it. I wonder how that's going to affect his strong man image to all his international supporters, moreso his American ones. I still find that baffling to write.
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 26, 2022 22:34:29 GMT
Well that makes sense I guess. I suppose the fear would be putin being backed into a corner and unleashing nukes.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 26, 2022 22:40:21 GMT
"some" Russian banks to be excluded from SWIFT. Joint statement by leading countries.
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Post by captbirdseye on Feb 26, 2022 22:41:25 GMT
He's not only undone all his work of driving a wedge between Western nations but also ruined his masculine image.
A lot of stories floating around now that captured Russians didn't know what they were doing or where they were going and prooly equpied.
Ukrainians have also shot down 2 more II-76s. The whole thing is just a sorry depressing mess.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 26, 2022 22:55:55 GMT
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Post by Sarfrin on Feb 26, 2022 23:04:28 GMT
In some ways this is more worrying. What might Putin do if he feels he's got nothing to lose?
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 26, 2022 23:06:22 GMT
I'll be the first to admit I wasn't the type to pay too much attention to world politics until a few years ago (which I admit might be a bad thing but I did, and still do, try to stay informed about the important events at least, just not every little detail otherwise I'd probably go a bit crazy 😅) but this whole situation feels a bit like they shot their shot too early...
It really seems that with a couple more years of destabilising country relations and/or a big, convenient political event such as a Trump or Trump affiliate being elected as US President, a Senate swing, more Brexit drama or even some BS happening in our neck of the woods or in the China/Taiwan theatre, the Ukrainian campaign might have been an easy success rather than what's happening now, with all that implies
And that's a very scary thought, how close we could have been (and almost assuredly still are) to something much worse...
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 26, 2022 23:06:40 GMT
I dunno about the whole "botched invasion" narrative yet; it's got the smell of attempting to make lemonade out of lemons. Even if a few soldiers get captured, there are thousands more!
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Post by ozthegweat on Feb 26, 2022 23:08:36 GMT
It looks like shit's about to go down in the next few hours; massive attack on Kyiv planned. Suppose this night will decide how this war is going to go.
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Post by cubby on Feb 26, 2022 23:12:42 GMT
We'll see how tonight goes. If Kyiv remains I don't think Russia will succeed. The world has all but declared war on them now.
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 26, 2022 23:21:27 GMT
Makes you wonder. With the world better connected the kind of bat shit nonsense that putin thinks he can push just doesn't fly.
People are gathering across the globe in anger, its not a pocket of the world no one will hear about until its too late. The public pressure on governments to act will be stronger than before.
The call to arms is stronger
I feel this is what russia/putin have underestimated
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Post by captbirdseye on Feb 26, 2022 23:24:47 GMT
One of the most the bizzare things about this whole mess has been diplomacy via Twitter. The Ukrainians have had a field day with it.
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Post by grey_matters on Feb 26, 2022 23:45:15 GMT
Makes you wonder. With the world better connected the kind of bat shit nonsense that putin thinks he can push just doesn't fly. People are gathering across the globe in anger, its not a pocket of the world no one will hear about until its too late. The public pressure on governments to act will be stronger than before. The call to arms is stronger I feel this is what russia/putin have underestimated Given what happened after (and during) the Crimea and Sevastopol annexations, maybe being fairly confident kinda made sense. But as you say, things may be different now. Maybe a straw has finally broken certain backs at last. Right and left political extremities have been sucking Putin sploodge for ages, but there seems to be a sense of 'hold up, what?' over this one.
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Post by simple on Feb 27, 2022 0:06:42 GMT
Tucker Carlson is still on it from what I was reading earlier
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Post by unrealkilla on Feb 27, 2022 0:26:12 GMT
I'd tentatively bet on Kiev not falling. During the Chechen War, the Chechen militia held Grozny for months and the Ukrainians are much better equipped and supplied.
Even if it does fall and the Russians somehow take the country, Ukraine is huge that's a lot of territory to hold while a well armed resistance sworn to fight to the bitter end constantly tries to overthrow the occupation.
This is surely already an absolute disaster for Putin and it's going to get a lot worse. He's absolutely fucked himself and his entire nation.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 27, 2022 0:35:40 GMT
I dunno about the whole "botched invasion" narrative yet; it's got the smell of attempting to make lemonade out of lemons. Even if a few soldiers get captured, there are thousands more! Yeah. Even if it's true, the Russians still have the manpower and time to adapt and get it right. Even if they hoped to get Kyiv in the first assault and failed, they can just reposition and try again. Whereas the Ukrainian troops are going to be much more pinned down. It might depend on how long there is political will in Russia to keep up the attack, but you've gotta assume Russia will win in the end. (Though that then moves into a stage where they've got to deal with armed resistance which is likely to be much harder to deal with long term). Given how good Russia seemed to have gotten at the old cyber-warfare, counterintelligence, undermining, etc.. with Ukraine, Brexit, Trump.. I'm kinda surprised how badly they're handling some of this stuff though. Getting their stuff hacked by Anonymous, getting comprehensively out messaged by Zelensky, etc.. It has only been a couple of days though, and I think it's too early to call that the Russians have comprehensively botched it. PS/ I must admit to having been previously unaware how big Ukraine is (2nd biggest country in Europe?) and it does have a population of 44 million. I don't know if their terrain and lifestyle is as conducive to being impossible to hold as Afghanistan, but I think they did have a long running resistance against the USSR in the past. |
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Post by Sarfrin on Feb 27, 2022 0:59:40 GMT
I think maybe Putin's a bit fucked because he underestimated Ukraine's leadership by a long way. The TV guy and the ex boxer have stood firm and rallied their population and that's left him a bit underprepared and looking less macho than he hoped. This is a bridge further than he realised he was going.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 27, 2022 1:42:41 GMT
"The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all.
As everyone understands, this horrific disaster would never have happened if our election was not rigged and if I was the president.
I stand as the only president of the 21st century on whose watch Russia did not invade another country.”
I think we all know which cretin said this recently.
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