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Post by Rich on Feb 24, 2022 20:01:45 GMT
Exactly. He's waiting for Sue Grey.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 20:06:01 GMT
It’s not exactly up to Johnson whether Russia gets kicked off swift though is it? UK and US are pushing for it apparently. Few other countries are concerned it'll have on impact on their own economies. |
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Post by Rich on Feb 24, 2022 20:08:48 GMT
Economies are going to take a hit no matter what. It's the right thing to do though.
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Post by Frog on Feb 24, 2022 20:21:20 GMT
Joe Biden says cutting Russia off from the global Swift banking system is not being proposed "right now".
He says the sanctions already proposed on all the banks are of equal consequence and perhaps even exceed banning Russia from Swift.
"Let's have a conversation in another month or so to see if they're working," he says.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Feb 24, 2022 20:27:37 GMT
You’ve only got to hold out another month, Ukraine, before we reassess the situation. You’ve got this.
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Post by Lukus on Feb 24, 2022 20:29:11 GMT
I think we're going to have to threaten them with expulsion from Eurovision, guys.
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Post by Frog on Feb 24, 2022 20:30:55 GMT
Eurovision have already said they won't remove them. I dont think they will win though  |
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Post by cubby on Feb 24, 2022 20:33:09 GMT
Surely eurovision frowns upon invading a competitor.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 24, 2022 20:34:05 GMT
Joe Biden says cutting Russia off from the global Swift banking system is not being proposed "right now". He says the sanctions already proposed on all the banks are of equal consequence and perhaps even exceed banning Russia from Swift. "Let's have a conversation in another month or so to see if they're working," he says. "But sir, what about Moscow?" "Ok...Won't have this time." |
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Post by X201 on Feb 24, 2022 20:35:33 GMT
Eurovision have already said they won't remove them. I dont think they will win though Some poor sod at Russian TV will have the job of muting 20,000 booing people |
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Post by H-alphaFox on Feb 24, 2022 20:39:21 GMT
As much as I like Eastern block bitchyness at EV the right thing to do is ban them.
Where can I put a tenner on Ukraine winning EV?
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Post by Frog on Feb 24, 2022 20:40:08 GMT
Surely eurovision frowns upon invading a competitor. They have said they are non political. |
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Post by Dougs on Feb 24, 2022 20:48:23 GMT
Bet Russia still get more points than the UK.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 24, 2022 20:49:11 GMT
Uefa isn't political either, it's not stopping them from taking action....
I feel dirty.
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Post by Frog on Feb 24, 2022 20:50:03 GMT
Ooh I don't know, other than Belarus I doubt anyone will give them points now
Uefa are moving the final from Russia who are currently at war, that's very different.
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Post by Sarfrin on Feb 24, 2022 20:53:17 GMT
It’s not exactly up to Johnson whether Russia gets kicked off swift though is it? Well no, but he's still a cunt. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 24, 2022 20:56:14 GMT
Bet Russia still get more points than the UK. They literally did in 2014 when they annexed crimea and everyone booed them. |
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Post by Frog on Feb 24, 2022 20:59:18 GMT
Wonder what the odds are with the bookies on that.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 24, 2022 21:16:41 GMT
Surely eurovision frowns upon invading a competitor. They have said they are non political. From an event supposed to promote the unity of Europe? OKAY... |
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Post by Dougs on Feb 24, 2022 21:21:12 GMT
Bet Russia still get more points than the UK. They literally did in 2014 when they annexed crimea and everyone booed them. Ha, no way. What a ridiculous competition |
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Post by Lizard on Feb 24, 2022 21:22:20 GMT
I think we're a long way from a nuclear war. Putin is not a madman, he's an aging dictator trying to shore up a disparate country with a declining population and a one-note economy.
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Post by Frog on Feb 24, 2022 21:29:27 GMT
We are a long way away bit that changes the second he looks towards a NATO country.
There is always the risk that he is losing the plot as he is getting on a bit.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Feb 24, 2022 21:30:14 GMT
Surely eurovision frowns upon invading a competitor. Got ya! *Australia grabs coat. |
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Post by skalpadda on Feb 24, 2022 21:59:36 GMT
I'm not so sure. He's clearly not *stupid*, but I'm not convinced he doesn't at least half believe his own historical revisionism and the Russian victim complex he's been stoking, and he seems to see the west as a personal threat. He was really upset about things like the Arab Spring, Gaddafi and Syria. He's also getting really old and old people have a tendency to go nuts. |
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Post by Lizard on Feb 24, 2022 22:15:10 GMT
We are a long way away bit that changes the second he looks towards a NATO country. There is always the risk that he is losing the plot as he is getting on a bit. There is always the possibility that he's losing the plot, but he's not an absolute monarch, he's in the pockets of oligarchs and they probably don't want to be involved in a nuclear exchange. I think he'll stay away from NATO countries. There may be some sabre-rattling, but does Putin want a third world war, or just give the impression that he does as per Russia's non-linear warfare strategy? He's been very deliberate about his foreign wars thus far. What's more likely is that he tries underhand means to influence/coerce NATO border countries to leave the alliance. |
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Post by Lizard on Feb 24, 2022 22:22:51 GMT
I'm not so sure. He's clearly not *stupid*, but I'm not convinced he doesn't at least half believe his own historical revisionism and the Russian victim complex he's been stoking, and he seems to see the west as a personal threat. He was really upset about things like the Arab Spring, Gaddafi and Syria. He's also getting really old and old people have a tendency to go nuts. Possibly, but there's a long history of people like Putin playing the part of a histrionic madman to intimidate enemies at home and abroad. It's been part of North Korea's playbook for decades. His theatrical belicosiity plays well to his supporters too. He's managed to stay in power and conduct a number of fairly successful military exercises over decades; he's not known for acting capriciously. Although I do accept that senility may come into play. |
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Post by Lizard on Feb 24, 2022 22:27:14 GMT
This invasion is still pretty scary though, and doesn't bode well for geopolitics over coming decades.
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Post by スコットランド on Feb 24, 2022 22:29:32 GMT
I'm not so sure. He's clearly not *stupid*, but I'm not convinced he doesn't at least half believe his own historical revisionism and the Russian victim complex he's been stoking, and he seems to see the west as a personal threat. He was really upset about things like the Arab Spring, Gaddafi and Syria. He's also getting really old and old people have a tendency to go nuts. I don’t really know what he intends here, take Kyiv and install a puppet government which 40 million people will resist from now on? |
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Post by cubby on Feb 24, 2022 22:35:32 GMT
Surely the plan is to make it part of Russia and thus subject to all the bullshit the Russians have to put up with already.
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Post by Lizard on Feb 24, 2022 22:37:22 GMT
Russia have spent so much time and effort keeping the West on it's toes that I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he withdrew all of his troops tomorrow and said 'nothing to see here folks'. Imagine how much of a headfuck that would be.
I don't think that will happen, but it would be a great non-linear play.
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