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Post by skalpadda on Sept 27, 2022 15:22:40 GMT
Russia done blowed up Nord Stream pipes outside Bornholm. Its in our and Denmark's economic zones, but not territorial waters. The pipes themselves are owned by Gazprom and a bunch of European companies.
Here's a Swedish article confirming explosions, I'll translate the relevant bits: Kind of grimly funny that this sort of fuckery was exactly why Sweden and Denmark were hesitant to allow the building of the pipelines in the first place.
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Post by Vortex on Sept 27, 2022 15:30:42 GMT
You wonder what the end game is beyond 'don't buy our gas'. They've shown themselves to be unreliable suppliers, by switching gas on and off/lowering levels etc so people have looked elsewhere, then thrown a hissyfit and sabotaged the infrastructure.
Which as you say, means no-one will trust that to not happen again in future.
It's really messed up.
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Post by technoish on Sept 27, 2022 15:36:19 GMT
Besides the whole losing all relations with Europe, I just can't see a positive realistic end game here for Russia in Ukraine. Is Putin going to declare those bits annexed now as Russian and use nukes to defend them?
He's going to have total cannon fodder for soldiers, with very little training and equipment and no logistical support. Russian economy is losing millions of workers at the moment either conscripted, hiding or leaving the country. That's going to hit Russia's industrial machine further.
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Post by askew on Sept 27, 2022 16:08:50 GMT
I didn't realise NS1 had 'sprung' a leak too.
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Post by dogbot on Sept 27, 2022 16:14:08 GMT
I didn't realise NS1 had 'sprung' a leak too. It probably fell out of a window.
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Post by skalpadda on Sept 27, 2022 16:31:57 GMT
You wonder what the end game is beyond 'don't buy our gas'. They've shown themselves to be unreliable suppliers, by switching gas on and off/lowering levels etc so people have looked elsewhere, then thrown a hissyfit and sabotaged the infrastructure. Which as you say, means no-one will trust that to not happen again in future. It's really messed up. Speculation obviously, but to show that you're willing and able to attack energy infrastructure in yet another bid to try to get Western countries and Germany in particular to reduce support for Ukraine. The pipeline was dead anyway and wasn't going to get opened, so Russia doesn't lose anything from wrecking it to send a message. The fact it's half owned by Gazprom lets them try to muddy the water with "oh why would we attack ourselves"-rhetoric. It's a way to escalate and threaten with relatively low risk of anyone slapping them back too hard.
They may also be dumb enough to hope that Germany will suspect the US since Biden said some dumb braggadocious shit about shutting down NS2 just before the war. It was never opened of course, a decision taken by Germany itself, so the US has absolutely no reason to do anything, but I don't doubt we'll see Russia trying to spin it that way. Besides the whole losing all relations with Europe, I just can't see a positive realistic end game here for Russia in Ukraine. Is Putin going to declare those bits annexed now as Russian and use nukes to defend them? He's going to have total cannon fodder for soldiers, with very little training and equipment and no logistical support. Russian economy is losing millions of workers at the moment either conscripted, hiding or leaving the country. That's going to hit Russia's industrial machine further. I don't think there's an endgame beyond desperately trying to wage hybrid war and play nuclear brinksmanship with the West while they try to keep hold of what they have in Ukraine.
The plan was clearly to roll into Kiev with little resistance and take the whole country in days or weeks and count on the West not doing anything more than sanctions after the fact. He wanted to go out as the great leader who outplayed the West and reunited historical Russian lands and peoples. Had things gone as planned it would have been relatively bloodless (from a historical perspective) and he would have secured a massive place in history.
That didn't work so they tried conventional war in the East and that hasn't worked out either. They didn't expect Ukraine to be able to fight and they didn't expect Europe and the US to be willing to sacrifice for Ukraine when push came to shove. They tried to break Europe away with energy blackmail but again, it didn't work.
What can they do at this point? Putin has played it up as an existential struggle for Russia. It most likely is existential for him personally, so he can't back down. And that's why I'm worried that they'll do something completely mad, because there's no way out. Unless there's a palace coup (which seems unlikely) or Russia really collapses they just have to keep throwing everything they have at the mess they've made.
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Post by quadfather on Sept 27, 2022 17:12:06 GMT
Or the sham referendums get put in place, putin ignores everyone outside Russia saying its bollocks. Goes home, rapturous applauds, job well done. And the majority of Russia will hurrah, with outspoken Russians put next to open windows.
Meanwhile, it'll be the same fighting in those "newly claimed" Russian areas as it was before.
What a senseless waste of life for some fucking pathetic humans ego.
Someone shoot him for fucks sake.
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Post by Frog on Sept 27, 2022 18:18:52 GMT
Those referendum results are pretty conclusive then. It's amazing they were all so close in percentage.
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 27, 2022 21:41:43 GMT
Average Russian soldier after the mass draftings
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Post by Danno on Sept 28, 2022 0:30:09 GMT
In the grim darkness of the 21st Century, there is only war. ooooof.
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Post by drakesmoke on Sept 28, 2022 11:00:00 GMT
In the grim darkness of the 21st Century, there is only war. ooooof. No levity intended, just how dark things feel atm. I'll delete it and say sorry. Update - deleted. Sorry.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 28, 2022 11:55:15 GMT
I applaud these people.
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Post by malek86 on Sept 28, 2022 15:51:39 GMT
I hope this whole escalation thing cools down quickly. A fascist government might be a problem for my new job, but I'd hazard to say that a nuclear war would be even more detrimental.
Meanwhile, I'm reading news about how gas prices in Italy are a lot lower than in the rest of Europe. I would have expected the opposite. We relied on gas far more than many other nations.
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Post by quadfather on Sept 30, 2022 11:17:48 GMT
Or the sham referendums get put in place, putin ignores everyone outside Russia saying its bollocks. Goes home, rapturous applauds, job well done. And the majority of Russia will hurrah, with outspoken Russians put next to open windows. Meanwhile, it'll be the same fighting in those "newly claimed" Russian areas as it was before. What a senseless waste of life for some fucking pathetic humans ego. Someone shoot him for fucks sake. Did I call it, or what
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Post by grey_matters on Sept 30, 2022 14:31:21 GMT
Putin announces the annexation of 4 Ukrainian regions as part of the Russian Federation. Zelensky responds by officially applying to join NATO. Russia has really fucked this thing up entirely.
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Post by malek86 on Sept 30, 2022 15:09:12 GMT
I thought NATO wasn't a fan of countries with border disputes?
Anyway, whatever happens next, it probably won't be pretty.
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Post by geefe on Sept 30, 2022 15:10:31 GMT
I thought NATO wasn't a fan of countries with border disputes? Anyway, whatever happens next, it probably won't be pretty. I suppose the argument is "well Russia thinks those bits are Russia now. No dispute, so we'll join NATO, thanks"
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 30, 2022 15:44:34 GMT
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Post by malek86 on Sept 30, 2022 16:46:00 GMT
I wonder what's gonna happen to those conscripts anyway. I guess they will just be sent as a military presence to the annexed regions, so it shouldn't be nearly as bad as, say, marching onto Kiev or something like that. But they will also have to face a lot of guerrilla.
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Post by deekyfun on Sept 30, 2022 16:49:20 GMT
That's kind of the issue isn't it? The conscripts probably don't need to be convinced they don't want to go to war. I also can't quite square the concept of forcing the people you said were nazis to fight as fodder in your ideological war about nazis. They can't even fight their own stupid battles.
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Post by Youthist on Sept 30, 2022 17:39:50 GMT
Or the sham referendums get put in place, putin ignores everyone outside Russia saying its bollocks. Goes home, rapturous applauds, job well done. And the majority of Russia will hurrah, with outspoken Russians put next to open windows. Meanwhile, it'll be the same fighting in those "newly claimed" Russian areas as it was before. What a senseless waste of life for some fucking pathetic humans ego. Someone shoot him for fucks sake. Did I call it, or what I hope that is all it is, get the feeling he isn’t going to take “Wesrern weapons attacking us on Russian soil” well. He really is a cock
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Post by skalpadda on Sept 30, 2022 21:09:23 GMT
I wonder what's gonna happen to those conscripts anyway. I guess they will just be sent as a military presence to the annexed regions, so it shouldn't be nearly as bad as, say, marching onto Kiev or something like that. But they will also have to face a lot of guerrilla. I doubt Russia has any other forces to rotate and reinforce their current soldiers with and Ukraine is still gaining ground in the north-east while putting pressure on Kherson in the south. A lot of them will probably be going straight to the front. And there have been many reports from Russians volunteering earlier in the war saying they got just a few days of training and were told that they'd be holding secondary defensive lines but then got sent straight into fighting anyway.
Meanwhile lots of Russians being drafted now are saying they're being told to buy their own equipment and bring first aid kits from their cars.
Even if they manage to mobilise and equip large enough numbers to make a difference it's going to be absolutely terrible for everyone involved.
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Post by X201 on Sept 30, 2022 21:16:27 GMT
Sometimes, you just can’t help wondering about Small Man Syndrome
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Post by Danno on Sept 30, 2022 21:42:26 GMT
Sometimes, you just can’t help wondering about Small Man Syndrome Also small hands syndrome.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 30, 2022 21:49:15 GMT
Must’ve been a fucking tiny horse in those propaganda videos
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Post by Danno on Sept 30, 2022 21:55:46 GMT
Must’ve been a fucking tiny horse in those propaganda videos Now I know where my teddy went
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Post by Youthist on Sept 30, 2022 22:15:35 GMT
Definitely why he sits far away or at the end of long tables etc in briefings so it doesn’t show up how tiny he is. He really is cruise like in stature.
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Post by skalpadda on Oct 3, 2022 15:09:57 GMT
Novaya Gazeta reports 1,5 million missing uniforms for recruits, and it sounds like that's just one district. Rather telling about corruption and logistics. Gee, maybe someone stole them and kept saying they're there in the paperwork because nobody actually checked, Andrey? How are they going to equip soliders in Ukraine and train more at home in Russia during winter if they don't even have clothing in stock?
Meanwhile Russia has been losing ground in Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson over the last few days, meaning they don't control any of the oblasts they just "annexed" and have made no progress in stabilising them.
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Post by richardiox on Oct 3, 2022 17:11:09 GMT
Even better, Peskov said in a statement today they will be consulting with the people of the oblasts before deciding on the specific borders of the annexed areas. If they take too long they won't have territorial control over any of them with the way their forces are performing. Try annexing land you don't control, dickwads.
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Post by technoish on Oct 3, 2022 17:52:40 GMT
The Russian front keeps collapsing. Now in Kherson Ukraine is making deep inroads.
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