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Post by BurnoutJunkie on May 23, 2022 21:03:42 GMT
This makes GBeebies almost look sane. What have I just watched. Imagine if Sky News in the UK was like this.
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 23, 2022 21:15:58 GMT
This makes GBeebies almost look sane. Does that guy even realise that he's using the same hand motions as Hitler during a Nuremberg rally?
What am I saying. He almost certainly does.
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Post by Whizzo on May 23, 2022 21:18:46 GMT
It's the satirists I feel sorry for, politics around the world is so insane how can you make a living out of taking the piss out of so much stupidity?
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Post by Aunt Alison on May 23, 2022 21:20:33 GMT
Such conviction reading from an autocue
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Post by Danno on May 24, 2022 9:25:36 GMT
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Post by askew on May 24, 2022 12:13:31 GMT
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Post by lukasz on May 30, 2022 3:28:13 GMT
Of course nothing will be done.
China controls world's supply chain. Even for products made 100 percent somewhere else from non Chinese stuff, they use machines which have components made in China.
So the world will do nothing.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on May 30, 2022 3:48:58 GMT
China imports most of its oil. I'm just saying... what would happen if that were to be cut off.
(not that it will happen, given that the oil is produced by countries just as terrible, if not moreso)
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 30, 2022 9:46:00 GMT
The Uyghur detention camps make the China belt and road initiative even more ominous.
The investment in small pacific nations has ramped up in the past few years. Understandably if you are a tiny pacific island and someone offers to build you roads or bridges with "buy now pay later" funding it's hard to refuse. Of course it all comes at a price. Refueling ports for Chinese ships, airstrips, special embassies, sometimes it's just crippling interest rates that get negotiated down for more concessions.
The disdain shown for the Uyghurs is exactly the same that would be shown to the populations of those island nations once a large Chinese infrastructure is established.
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Post by Jambo No.5 on May 30, 2022 10:12:56 GMT
I'm half joking but I would also expect the government to be on the lines of "you're a Chinese territory now" with everything that entails.
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 1, 2022 19:47:50 GMT
We have just had a Ukrainian refugee and her daughter move in the flat next door. Just spent the evening in the garden with them. Our kids get on great and are having a great time on the trampoline and stuff. Its awful though, their life has been ruined (her husband has stayed over there). the things she has told us about the Russian soldiers are very disturbing... at least they are safe and my kids are making it easier for their daughter. Our cheese and meat hamper seems a bit crap, but they loved it. Why is the world so bloody awful to people.
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Post by X201 on Jun 1, 2022 20:07:24 GMT
Why is the world so bloody awful to people. Some caveman somewhere decided that this bit of land was his. So on through history to the flag shaggers and today
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Post by Sarfrin on Jun 1, 2022 20:59:55 GMT
What a nice welcome. You're good people.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 2, 2022 0:25:06 GMT
I was worrying a bit last night if, given the war in Ukraine seems likely to drag on a lot longer than people first expected, some of the people who initially welcomed Ukrainian refugees might start to go back on that decision.
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Post by cubby on Jun 2, 2022 7:23:03 GMT
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 2, 2022 9:04:41 GMT
Beautiful comments of course .
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Post by simple on Jun 9, 2022 17:47:27 GMT
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Post by Rich on Jun 9, 2022 17:51:03 GMT
I wouldn't put it past Russia doing it as some sort of test to see how far they can push things. Or they'll be kept alive and used as bargaining chips to reduce sanctions.
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Post by technoish on Jun 9, 2022 18:46:47 GMT
They said that if they appeal the sentences this could change the sentence to 25 years instead of death.
I was interested to see they pleaded guilty.
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 14, 2022 14:02:05 GMT
I see the rhetoric has changed wrt. Ukraine, now NATO talking about how much territory Ukraine have to surrender for Peace, talk of "Ukraine Fatigue". We really are (humans, the West) a bunch of cunts. Even in 2022, you can just invade a country, massacre people, commit war crimes and no-one will do much but give your opponents a few guns if they're lucky, only for a few months before "fatigue" sets in.
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Post by rhaegyr on Jun 14, 2022 14:11:53 GMT
Source?
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Post by Sarfrin on Jun 14, 2022 14:19:53 GMT
Are they relying on Putin popping his clogs before he decides to grab a bit more territory from another neighbouring country for the sake of peace?
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Post by X201 on Jun 14, 2022 14:31:37 GMT
That could be a way out of it.
Putin pops clogs. New fella gives back Ukrainian land Sanctions end New fella given praise etc for home consumption Everyone happy, world breathes sigh of relief Then we sit and wait for Winnie the Pooh to go tonto in his old age and start World War III
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 14, 2022 14:33:16 GMT
Was in German, let me have a look for an English one. The article was clearly a bit sensationalist but here are some quotes. www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_196300.htm?selectedLocale=en And therefore it’s for them to judge, not for me, what is the price they are willing to pay, for peace and for independence? So, that’s, in a way, the moral dilemma. Peace is possible, but the question, how much are you willing to forsake to pay for getting that peace? How much democracy are you willing to sacrifice for peace? And that’s a very difficult moral dilemma. And it’s for those who are paying the highest price to make that judgement. Our responsibility is to support them. Then, on escalation, I think it’s extremely important that we remember there is a danger of escalation. Also, as you said this morning, a horizontal escalation, we always see a kind of vertical escalation – more fighting, more suffering, heavier weapons in Ukraine – but escalation beyond Ukraine.
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Post by rhaegyr on Jun 14, 2022 14:39:07 GMT
I think it's a bit of a stretch from that one piece to suggest the rhetoric has changed, they're asking for Ukraine to cede land and the collective West are a massive bunch of pussies.
But I know what you mean - "How much democracy are you willing to sacrifice for peace?" is a shocking statement imo.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 14, 2022 14:48:09 GMT
I wasn't commenting on this any more but...
This isn't remotely new thinking. It's always been a part of the discussion. What's the alternative?
It's become apparent that Russia cannot easily win by conventional meansand will not back down. Nor can the west/NATO etc escalate their participation. There's no simple solution.
Should diplomats shrug and say nothing, allowing this to become a permanent conflict, like Syria or Yemen? Or should they discuss possible solutions, no matter how unpalatable they might be to the internet?
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Post by Jambo No.5 on Jun 14, 2022 14:52:30 GMT
I think some people want action, but action ultimately leads to world war which would not be good. For anyone. It's not an easy solvable solution despite people saying "do something!".
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Post by dogbot on Jun 14, 2022 15:08:49 GMT
Don't get me wrong, it chafes at me. I'd never wish combat on anyone but the supposed leading nations rendered essentially helpless says a lot about the real state of geopolitical existence, to me.
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Post by malek86 on Jun 19, 2022 9:57:47 GMT
Oh man, the summer is coming, it's gonna be hotter than ever, and Russia is predictably cutting the gas supply again.
If this goes on, I could actually see the public opinion here changing direction. Peace is cool and all, until people are told that they have to turn off their a/c when it's 38 degrees outside. It's a bit like when almost everyone was supportive of the lockdown when the pandemic started, but after a couple months not so much anymore.
How is the war going anyway? I thought the Russian army was getting clobbered. How much longer can they even keep on fighting (and the Ukrainian army too, for that matter)?
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