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Post by snackplissken on Oct 27, 2021 10:53:49 GMT
Ouch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 11:36:54 GMT
Ouch indeed.
I actually had the opposite experience of my recent playthrough as well. Despite having a very similar experience to Cappy first time around.
I was even enjoying it so much I grabbed American Nightmare to play back compat on my One.
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Post by malek86 on Oct 27, 2021 11:46:58 GMT
The average Song of Horror experience
Game: want to examine this random object? Me: sure! Game: oh no, you died. *two hours later* Game: wnat to examine another random object? Me: hell no! Game: fine, suit yourself then. *two hours later* Game: oh no, you died. If only you had examined that random object earlier...
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Post by Cappy on Oct 27, 2021 12:43:43 GMT
I was actually holding back. Alan Wake would have a profile somewhere around the level of games like Cold Fear if it hadn't been featured as a press conference platform exclusive.
The way Alan Wake freezes and goes into slow motion, pans the camera around, taking control away from the player every time it wants to highlight a group enemies spawning, which happens scores of times in a chapter means the Alan Wake can never get into good game Valhalla.
Constantly taking control away from the player (in the middle of combat no less) and messing around with the player's inventory are unforgivable.
Alan Wake is an anagram of Weak Anal. Coincidence? I think not.
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Post by tommyunderwear on Oct 27, 2021 13:20:35 GMT
Started off Visage last night. Serious PT vibes off it. So much so I had to stop playing a few minutes into it. Nothing actually happened but I was shitting myself expecting something to happen. I definitely need to be in the right frame of mind to play it and not worrying about someone coming into the room while I am playing with headset on.
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Post by snackplissken on Oct 27, 2021 13:37:11 GMT
Are the controls intentional because they are one of the worst I've played in a long time. I quite like the atmosphere and certainly shitting my pants but I can't get my head around the controls! it spoils it.
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Post by tommyunderwear on Oct 27, 2021 13:41:11 GMT
Are the controls intentional because they are one of the worst I've played in a long time. I quite like the atmosphere and certainly shitting my pants but I can't get my head around the controls! it spoils it. Yeah, no idea what's going on with picking up items and storing them. Very unintuitive.
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Post by Rodderz on Oct 27, 2021 13:44:27 GMT
I bought last night in the sale 'Condemned: Criminal Origins' on the 360 to play on the Series X. I remember this game being absolutely terrifying (mannequins & shopping mall?!!). Looking forward to playing it again, was only about ÂŁ3 i think. I bloody love that game, Mr Tibbits... /shudders. So, so good and the story of a Serial Killer X hunting and killing other serial killers and utilising their modus operandi to kill them was awesome. I've still got boxed copies of Condemned and the sequel Condemned 2:Bloodshot as well, plus my old 360 console (I haven't bought a new Xbox since that console). Sadly I've read that Condemned 2 never got an update for the newer Xbox consoles, which is such a bloody shame as that had some terrifying moments.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 14:01:47 GMT
Yeah Condemned is great. I started it again last year actually so may get back to it once I finish off The Evil Within 2 which, in all honesty, I'm forcing my way through. In typical 'me' fashion, I prefer the more maligned entry in the series. I loved the shit out of TEW1 but I'm really not liking this very much at all. Only 2 chapters to go though so I'll get there.
Condemned 2 starts off amazingly, and that first level is terrifying with all the black goo, but it really loses it's way. Not sure what they were thinking towards the end when it craps itself so badly it has shit leaking out it's boots.
That said, it would still be nice to play that on newer Xboxes. Jericho as well. It's far from a brilliant game but I've not played many games that unrelentingly oppressive all the way through and I have a bit of a soft spot for it.
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Post by Rodderz on Oct 27, 2021 14:14:17 GMT
I mentioned in the Pigwhip thread the other day that I recently completed Outlast 2. This was very creepy in parts and has quite a disturbing storyline involving some psycho-Christians trying to stop the birth of the anti-christ, lead by Father Knoll who is their deranged pastor, and a group of heretics who broke away from that group and live down in the mines, lead by transgender psycho and sex addict Val, who are trying to help the process of the birth along. Lots of talk and notes of adults killing their own children in the Christian camp to keep the evil away and please god. Plus lots of repressed sexual stuff found in many of the notes, including giant cocks penetrating the Earth.
Alongside the main story, there's a back story played out at intervals involving the main character's past surrounding the guilt he felt about the sexual abuse and murder of his female school friend at a Catholic School. The sections in the school are just damn nerve shredding at times. To the tune of 'If you're happy and you know it clap your hands': "Be careful little eyes what you see, be careful little eyes what you see, there's a father up above and he's looking down in love, be careful little eyes what you see...." 🥺 You've been warned.
It's worth a play if you've got 10-12 hours to spare. The first Outlast plus the Whistleblower dlc were also decent and equally disturbing in different ways too.
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Post by Rodderz on Oct 27, 2021 14:17:06 GMT
@wuntyate The bit in Condemned 2 that really shit me up was the part where you're hunted by a big old grizzly bear in the cabin . If I remember correctly, you saw signs that something nasty had happened leading up to that bit, but you think whatever it was had long gone...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 14:28:10 GMT
Ah yes I remember that bit. Whilst I WAS terrified, I always preferred the weird shit, so a big ol' grizzly didn't have the same impact. A stand out moment though, you're not wrong there.
You have just sold Outlast 2 to me though. I never finished the first but I have the second in my games library so that may be the horror fix I need next. Although I have also started Darkwood which is shitting me up.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 27, 2021 22:22:13 GMT
I mentioned in the Pigwhip thread the other day that I recently completed Outlast 2. This was very creepy in parts and has quite a disturbing storyline involving some psycho-Christians trying to stop the birth of the anti-christ, lead by Father Knoll who is their deranged pastor, and a group of heretics who broke away from that group and live down in the mines, lead by transgender psycho and sex addict Val, who are trying to help the process of the birth along. Lots of talk and notes of adults killing their own children in the Christian camp to keep the evil away and please god. Plus lots of repressed sexual stuff found in many of the notes, including giant cocks penetrating the Earth. Alongside the main story, there's a back story played out at intervals involving the main character's past surrounding the guilt he felt about the sexual abuse and murder of his female school friend at a Catholic School. The sections in the school are just damn nerve shredding at times. To the tune of 'If you're happy and you know it clap your hands': "Be careful little eyes what you see, be careful little eyes what you see, there's a father up above and he's looking down in love, be careful little eyes what you see...." 🥺 You've been warned. It's worth a play if you've got 10-12 hours to spare. The first Outlast plus the Whistleblower dlc were also decent and equally disturbing in different ways too. The problem with the Outlast games for me is that they're just overy grotty and shocking for the sake of it. There's something to be said about knowing when to hold back. It's not clever in any way - we can all think of horrible stuff if we try but dead babies and abused women tied to beds and shit for the sake of shock value? Nah
And of course the main story thread would be about a priest sexually abusing a school girl
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 27, 2021 22:28:43 GMT
Alan Wake also commits the cardinal sin of wearing a hoodie with a jacket That's the worst part
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Post by Cappy on Oct 28, 2021 10:09:09 GMT
Alan Wake also commits the cardinal sin of wearing a hoodie with a jacket That's the worst part
All the fights in the game are just THE DARKNESS trying to steal his hoodie and save Alan from public embarrassment.
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Post by hedben on Oct 28, 2021 10:11:17 GMT
Layers Of Fear is the only game I've ever had to stop playing because it was freaking me out too much. Although to be fair, I haven't really gone looking for horror games (never played Outlast, Condemned, Amnesia/Soma etc) so maybe I'm just a horror wuss.
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2021 10:16:17 GMT
Would it be wanky to say Alan Wake is horror-themed rather than an actual horror game?
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 28, 2021 10:20:48 GMT
Layers Of Fear is the only game I've ever had to stop playing because it was freaking me out too much. Although to be fair, I haven't really gone looking for horror games (never played Outlast, Condemned, Amnesia/Soma etc) so maybe I'm just a horror wuss. Haha, that was the same for me. I ended up finishing it off late one night when we'd had more than a few glasses of wine and the wife had went to bed.
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Post by Cappy on Oct 28, 2021 10:34:14 GMT
Would it be wanky to say Alan Wake is horror-themed rather than an actual horror game? Not really. The game isn't scary and is incredibly tame.
No blood besides a cut on Alan's head, no corpses, all enemies vanish without a trace. I think I saw the corpse of a deer in the final chapter that was originally DLC and that's about it.
The 16 age rating must come from the high frequency of shoot bang I guess, or just preconception and assumption on the game's content the people making these calls are hardly consistent. There's more 'horror' in The Goonies.
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Post by malek86 on Oct 28, 2021 10:44:43 GMT
Layers Of Fear is the only game I've ever had to stop playing because it was freaking me out too much. Although to be fair, I haven't really gone looking for horror games (never played Outlast, Condemned, Amnesia/Soma etc) so maybe I'm just a horror wuss. Amnesia was pretty scary for the time, but at this point the idea of discouraging the player from looking at the monsters has become too widely used. I doubt it would be nearly as scary now. The series is actually on 90% off on the eShop for the next two weeks, so if you have a Switch, you could consider it. Not sure if the quality holds up, but I'm hoping that even the Switch should be able to run a 2011 game without too much trouble. Btw, Soma is not scary. I think it only has some roaming enemies because people expected a horror game from Frictional, but it wasn't really intended to be horror. That's why they eventually added a safe mode with no enemies.
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2021 10:48:21 GMT
That’s what I mean about it being horror-themed rather than horror. Like sure its about a curse and mysterious evil forces and possession but it doesn’t play like its supposed to be scary. Its so pulpy with the narration, more like its a game about a scary situation than a game where you are supposed to be scared. If that makes sense?
Most extreme example off the top of my head would probably be Doom. Devils and demons and zombies, all horror tropes, but Doom not a scary game, just one based on ideas inspired by a scary source.
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Post by hedben on Oct 28, 2021 11:02:27 GMT
Btw, Soma is not scary. I think it only has some roaming enemies because people expected a horror game from Frictional, but it wasn't really intended to be horror. That's why they eventually added a safe mode with no enemies. Ooh good shout, the safe mode was also mentioned on one of the many podcasts I listen to recently (can't remember which one - Nextlander maybe?) - they made it sound like the definitive way to play, that the monsters made it worse rather than better. I've got Soma on the pile of shame, sure I'll get to it at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 11:07:23 GMT
I found sections of Soma pretty scary to be honest. Although it was the themes and narrative that haunted me long after.
Two encounters in particular I thought were bloody terrifying though.
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Post by Cappy on Oct 28, 2021 11:30:13 GMT
That’s what I mean about it being horror-themed rather than horror. Like sure its about a curse and mysterious evil forces and possession but it doesn’t play like its supposed to be scary. Its so pulpy with the narration, more like its a game about a scary situation than a game where you are supposed to be scared. If that makes sense? Yes, it's horror adjacent.
I have no proof but I bet they asked for a higher age rating for Alan Wake than it actually needed. Yes, publishers do this sometimes as part of the marketing and positioning of the product the rating boards only have problem if publishers are trying for a rating lower than they'd like.
Imagine Alan Wake as a TV series (the developers certainly did) in that form it would be early evening entertainment so somewhat accessible to older children.
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 28, 2021 11:31:08 GMT
For those of a point and click persuasion, Saint Kotar just got fully released on Steam/GoG. I really enjoyed the demo, though it's probably only going to satisfy those that like the older style adventure genre: store.steampowered.com/app/1358530/Saint_Kotar/ www.gog.com/game/saint_kotarKathy Rain: Director's Cut, which has more of a Twin Peaks vibe than out and out horror, also just got released this week. Again I loved the original so looking forward to playing through it again with the additional scenes and story arc etc.
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2021 11:34:15 GMT
That’s what I mean about it being horror-themed rather than horror. Like sure its about a curse and mysterious evil forces and possession but it doesn’t play like its supposed to be scary. Its so pulpy with the narration, more like its a game about a scary situation than a game where you are supposed to be scared. If that makes sense? Yes, it's horror adjacent.
I have no proof but I bet they asked for a higher age rating for Alan Wake than it actually needed. Yes, publishers do this sometimes as part of the marketing and positioning of the product the rating boards only have problem if publishers are trying for a rating lower than they'd like.
Imagine Alan Wake as a TV series (the developers certainly did) in that form it would be early evening entertainment so somewhat accessible to older children.
Alan Wake does scream “two episodes too long Netflix series” to me. Like it’d be marketed like a Midnight Mass or whatever but you’d watch it and it’d be like that Mist adaptation they did a few years ago where nothing happened.
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 28, 2021 14:17:39 GMT
Fatal Frame: MoBW also appears to have been released today. Steam reviews are less than stellar, unfortunately ...
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Post by Cappy on Oct 28, 2021 17:34:37 GMT
The harsh reviews for Fatal Frame keep rolling in. Apparently it's just a straight port, they didn't even use this opportunity to fix a few things or dazzle us with upgraded visuals.
Horror season 21 has had loads of games but been short on classics, Tormented Souls looks like it will end up being the best of the bunch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 18:15:21 GMT
Yeah Fatal Frame looks like a real missed opportunity. not cheap either. I keep uhhmmin and ahhing over Tormented Souls. Still got Darkwood to do, Evil Within 2 to finish and thinking of installing outlast II so I'll probably give it a miss just now.
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Post by malek86 on Oct 28, 2021 18:22:11 GMT
Shame about FF5. It was always kind of scrappy, I was hoping they would use this chance to fix a few things but I guess I was expecting too much of them.
I'm in a mood though. After I'm done with Song of Horror, I might try and replay FF3. Last time a few years ago, it wasn't all that great on emulation yet, but things should be a little better now.
Edit: well, just finished now. Interesting ending. Kinda infuriating at times, the fourth episode in particular was a drag. But not a bad game at all.
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